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TheBaron 12-19-2011 04:57 PM

I think this is a case that FedEx pilots regret leaving SFS more than FedEx regrets leaving SFS. Most of the initial problems with CAN have been resolved and it operates a lot more smoothly...still issues but definitely improving. I seriously doubt we'll ever see anything in the Philippines that will get us good layovers again.

Unknown Rider 12-19-2011 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by TheBaron (Post 1104402)
I think this is a case that FedEx pilots regret leaving SFS more than FedEx regrets leaving SFS. Most of the initial problems with CAN have been resolved and it operates a lot more smoothly...still issues but definitely improving. I seriously doubt we'll ever see anything in the Philippines that will get us good layovers again.


Correct. Management at FedEx will only regret leaving SFS if it affects their yearly bonus.

Perm11FO 12-19-2011 09:08 PM

I've also heard a rumor that says that our bonehead MEM lawyers didn't see the part of the contract where the Chinese inserted language that specified that FDX turns over the entire facility and all capital improvements should they ever leave GZ. That means the "state of the art" sorting equipment, computers and software all go to the Chinese, along with the building.

Hmmmmm..... now let's take a look at what Chinese national airline also happens to be based in GZ and is standing up a cargo operation...... Can you spell "China Southern????"

It's unfortunate that the MEM lawyers and others there decided that the input from people living in Asia and/or flying to China on a regular basis were so ignorant on matters relating to contracts with China or Chinese entities. The input from those in the know was politely set aside by those with advanced law degrees from prestigious US schools.

It also seems that UPS was "Shanghaied" by the Chinese after they build their hub in Shanghai, and "Shenzhenied" when they set up the new one in Shenzhen.

It really is a shame that someone that graduates from Harvard, Yale, or any other law school would be so shamefully dedicated to ignoring the input from those that are in China on a very regular basis. Seems like they were just too busy looking at the Chinese fire drill than to actually pore over the contract and it's contents to protect their employer's interest. The fell, lock, stock and barrel for the typical Chinese bait and switch.

How does the Singapore "mini-hub" fit into the scheme?

MX727 12-19-2011 09:36 PM

Guess they never heard of communism and never understood what that meant when you invest in infrastructure within that system.

HazCan 12-19-2011 09:38 PM

Move our **** to Clark and light that joint in CAN on fire when we walk out the door. They can have the pile of rubble.

Unknown Rider 12-20-2011 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by Perm11FO (Post 1104659)
I've also heard a rumor that says that our bonehead MEM lawyers didn't see the part of the contract where the Chinese inserted language that specified that FDX turns over the entire facility and all capital improvements should they ever leave GZ. That means the "state of the art" sorting equipment, computers and software all go to the Chinese, along with the building.

Hmmmmm..... now let's take a look at what Chinese national airline also happens to be based in GZ and is standing up a cargo operation...... Can you spell "China Southern????"

It's unfortunate that the MEM lawyers and others there decided that the input from people living in Asia and/or flying to China on a regular basis were so ignorant on matters relating to contracts with China or Chinese entities. The input from those in the know was politely set aside by those with advanced law degrees from prestigious US schools.

It also seems that UPS was "Shanghaied" by the Chinese after they build their hub in Shanghai, and "Shenzhenied" when they set up the new one in Shenzhen.

It really is a shame that someone that graduates from Harvard, Yale, or any other law school would be so shamefully dedicated to ignoring the input from those that are in China on a very regular basis. Seems like they were just too busy looking at the Chinese fire drill than to actually pore over the contract and it's contents to protect their employer's interest. The fell, lock, stock and barrel for the typical Chinese bait and switch.

How does the Singapore "mini-hub" fit into the scheme?


You honestly believe that?

742Dash 12-20-2011 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by Unknown Rider (Post 1104742)
You honestly believe that?

FDX would not be the first company to find themselves in this position.

Unknown Rider 12-20-2011 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 1104754)
FDX would not be the first company to find themselves in this position.

Ok, can you give some examples?

742Dash 12-20-2011 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Unknown Rider (Post 1104789)
Ok, can you give some examples?

With all due respect, if you think that there is not a massive, systemic problem with IP loss in China you need evaluate your news sources.

OKLATEX 12-20-2011 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 1104872)
With all due respect, if you think that there is not a massive, systemic problem with IP loss in China you need evaluate your news sources.

I think you hit on something that Lee Moak has brought up and is very concerned about. He has discussed his concerns with the incredible growth of the Chinese and Middle Eastern airlines, in both the pax and cargo side.


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