Originally Posted by FDXLAG

Actually God, family, and country come before my career. But you comrade can prioritize anyway you want. Because the founders of this country (and amazingly a lot of the founders of the US labor movement) believed in liberty and the right to work were you want not where some self righteous schmuck tried to tell you to.

PS how is the multiple airline syndrome mentality working out in the Pax service?

Originally Posted by HerkDriver

Again, pardon my ignorance...

You mean to tell me that ALPA National can disapprove a contract that we as a pilot group vote to accept? If it doesn't compromise ALPA's Code of Ethics, I don't see how National would have the right to reject it.

Originally Posted by Los1

Nail on the head!! +1

Originally Posted by FoxHunter

YES! Why do think the American Airlines pilots left ALPA in the early 60s.

The Beginning

Originally Posted by HerkDriver

We are 12 months from our contract being amendable (again) and just lost the Chairman and Vice Chirman of our Negotiating Committee. If we can't stop the personal attacks and swallow our pride on certain issues for the greater good of the pilot force, we are going to get our a$$e$ handed to us in the next round of discussions. Right now, we are our own worst enemies!

Originally Posted by olly

As a professional airline pilot, I'd highly recommend that you read "Flying the Line Part II".

As a former military pilot, ensconced in a sheltered world, I naively believed in most so called egalitarian "republican ideals", that were the defacto "culture" in the military, existed as well in big business.

I was wrong. Mostly just ignorant of the management-labor/owner of capital vs owners of labor history in our good country. (because we never had to deal with it in the military). After you do some bonafide research of the factual history of our industry you may draw your own conclusions.

After sitting in the BK courtroom & watching the BK of UAL proceedings, I took an active interest in understanding this. I was apalled at the actions presented in the book, "Flying the Line II", and even did independent research to validate & verify. Reading further labor/management hsitory of our railroads (where do you think the railway labor act comes from??) you'll see the airlines management just copied what the railroads did to labor earlier in US history.

The only thing that has changed is that labor has not learned what is being foist upon them. Both groups tend to overreach, and at times each gets hurt. However, in the long run, the working man who is neither sufficiently educated, nor with the organizational, historical or financial clout is the one disadvantaged. That is the sole reason for the affiliation that you find troubling.

I'm quite sure, if you are intellectually honest, and put your past bias aside while you learn about our profession, you will understand. You might not like it, you'll find out some of our countries' leaders (gov & industry) took action that you might never think they would-but they did.

For me it took the event of a bankruptcy, and loss of a pension & ESOP stock to wake up and "smell the coffe" - to get smart on the real playing field we're on. Most guys here at FDX have not been thru such a traumatic experience, and as you've heard, comfort leads to complacency and expectation bias- thus no motivation to "learn" the new environment of just being labor for a big business. i.e we've had it relatively ok at FDX, so by & large there hasn't been an impetus for the average line guy to delve into the subject, so he lives with his learned experience (military- cuz that's what we knew).

Originally Posted by FDX Block 8

Yes, we are going to get our head handed back to us.

Next time you see those responsible you may want to thank them

I plan on thanking them via recall ballot.

Originally Posted by MaxKts

And what is the plan if they don't get recalled?