BWP, was just referring to the 10's. I figure if everyone else can screw up the landing I can too! I try not to think of that when the wind is howling going into NRT!

 

From my understanding they had left USAir, not an active pilot, (maybe they were furloughed). But I couldn't believe they would go back at that time unless they got their seniority number back. In '96 he said he had been at US for 7 years.

 

Hmmm ... I'll assume this guy with 757/767, 737-800 and MD-11 experince is either an AA or DL person? Years back, when my former airline went out of business, the then "healthy carriers" wanted nothing to do with us! Just staple them on the bottom! A national ALPA seniority list? Screw that! We really don't care about them.

Now that the tables are reversed a bit, I'm amused that they have the nerve to whine as much as they do. We could have fixed some of these problems years ago but the guys (and gals) at the healthy carriers just weren't interested?

Now it's those same guys that want to change the age 60 rule because the poor babies lost nearly all their retirements. Waaaaah. What goes around comes around baby ... you can be my flight engineer anytime (at least our new contract won't require that you bring the coffee jug to the airplane anymore). Stapled to the bottom of the list of course, after we buy all of their airplanes.

Bottom line, I really do feel for the highly qualified professionals that have given their life to an industry that will be unable to live up to previous promises. I've been there! Fortunately for me, I was young enough to recover at a healthy carrier that will, "probably", (I hope) be around long after I retire.

Maybe the new ALPA president will rethink previous issues for the good of all of us. I hope so.

Mark

 

Hey Mark I think you completely missed the point........................
We are already putting new hires directly into the right seat of the MD-11.
What is really the difference between putting a new hire into the Left seat?.............as long as he is on the bottom of the Seniority list?

I am not saying I for it........but what is really the difference.

 

Point taken. Thanks

 

That was and still is done. The issue, the way I understand it, is that the DAL CP in BOS did not process the letters of resignation. I also understand that there are some contractual issues at some of the Legacies that do not allow you to resign while you are on furlough. And why do you assume it's a smoke screen. For who. I know for a fact the current SCP at FedEx had people who he had assurances from that if he hired them into the training program they would fulfill the 3 year contract. Withing a year they were recalled to NW and went back.
I am not sure why the app process doesn't say anything about not hiring current legacy pilots. Maybe you should ask for your money back.
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RedEye, I don't see that happening. You would have to pay everybody on the seniority list wide body Captain pay. Right?

 

First, let me apologize for my attempt at sarcasm. My wife has always said I'm really good at it. Guess she was wrong again.
Secondly, as far as who I am, ask around. There's enough guys here who know who I am and what I do. I might be wrong, but I don't remember saying I wasn't mgmt. I think if you have read my posts as well as you hint, you would figure I have a "unique" perspective and some different ideas on things. You seem like a sharp guy, you can figure it out.

 

A lot of it seems to stem from a proprietary thought process. It's my company I'll hire whom ever I want as long as they are qualified.

Also, there is quite a bit to be said for being the first major carrier that someone flies for. Being the first will aid in indoctrinating that individual into the way "we" fly. Right or wrong, the things you learn your first time through get carried over throughout your career. For some reason, the first training you receive on your primary airplane is the one that will stick with you the longest. Lots and lots of guys in the military have wasted valuable seconds trying to grab ejection handles from the first front line fighter they were checked out on, not the one they are currently flying. It usually seems unrelated to the length of time they flew one or the other, unless transition is very recent. But in the AF no one ever has tried to grab handles and squeeze (T-37) if they have been checked out on a follow on Fighter. But F-4 guys now in front line fighters grab for the F-4 handles first. Some how the mind equates primary imprinting with the first training. Ask your self how much of the 727 you still remember vs the second aircraft you flew here if you are now on your third or more aircraft.

Bringing other airlines imprinted training into the FDX program could be viewed as less than optimum. Strictly from a human factors point of view. Now experience can overwrite most imprinting the more experience the better. But perhaps if the HR community here has input into the hiring, they might be using logic similar. Bringing a 10000 hr captain into the CRM mix CAN make the crew dynamic unstable unless the high-time low seniority individual has just the right personality. Similar problems can be seen trying to integrate high ranking retired military personnel. Guys O-6 and above lots of times don't play well with others when forced into an "Indian" role vs the "chief" role.

It can't all be about the best qualified. How do you determine the best qualified?? The most hours? The greatest number of aircraft tickets? The most combat? The most kills? The greatest number of landings? The most number of countries flown into? The most instrument hours? Night hours? If anyone knows what would determine the best qualified, I'm sure the CP office would love to know. At best you can determine if someone "should" be qualified based upon their previous experience. Then "meet and greet" with them along with someone who states that they know and vouch for them. Then see if they can jump through a series of hoops. If all that passes then welcome. Not perfect but understandable.

 

RIGHT (assuming they had bid award for the same seat) and I agree.......I don't see it happening either, but I was trying to make a point to another poster. Saying it is against the contract isn't correct.

Look what they did to the Senior 727so who had a MD fo BID in MEM. They put all those new Purple Nuggets right into MD school (ANC Bound) and the MEM 727so's got a delayed training date (behind the purple nuggets) and they didn't get passover pay be cause they had bid MEM..........