Ummmm, no. Not on this contract nor on the first one. We have much better work rules. Maybe if you guys considered giving up some of that $265/hr and asked for better work rules your collective lives might be better. And those rules will make my W-2 just as good (if not better) than yours.

It's really all about the work rules. That's why one of the basic premisses is that you never give any of them up when you renegotiate your contract.

Get some better work rules.

UPS 56% favor, while FDX 94% favor....

One has to wonder just how much Executive Council Union Leadership has to play in the outcome of the ratification process. Being a FDX guy, my perception of my leadership was: informed, pragmatic, businesslike, and stern with the company. Hearing some of the stories from UPS fellows out in the system, seems the group was plagued by some discontent then a turnover in leadership.

The fact it was 56% is a BIG indicator that the UPS group, as a whole, is not on the same sheet of music as to the direction of the group. Not trying to be negative, or throw stones at all here. It's just my impression. Heck, to me, the stronger IPA does it only helps to keep up with the Jones'. I do think the MGT at each company reacts strongly to what happens on the other side of the fence with "labor".

In the end, I still read my contract TA before it was put to vote. I knew what we were asking for (OCT table position). In the end it was reasonably close to what BC put out there for us. I am MOST happy that we had a high participation rate, it shows we're finally "engaged" as opposed to our past history's passivity. And in the end, "94% favor" sends the strongest message yet: MY NEGOTIATOR SPEAKS FOR ME! Getting that point across to MGT is priceless!

2cents.

No need to cry too long. We'll be back at the table in 4 yrs and will have done all the leg work for you (UPS) when your 5 yr deal expires:p

Very well said.

Probably more like 6 to 6 1/2 years by the time manangement drags their feet and screws with you guys.

The grass is greener here, for now
 

This thread is like a discussion on who's wife is prettier. :rolleyes: Both contacts are available to read on airlinepilots.com, look'em over and you decide. Lots of things are very similar, many that are different are hard to quantify, some are just hard to convert different approaches to the same (or close) solution.
Lets agree that life is better here than some places we came from or (in the past) wished we worked for. ;) Tomorrow is another day, we'll see who's on top of the heap than. :eek:

I don't know about wives..but your Avatar is definitely prettier

Here's what I heard
 

At one of the FDX ALPA roadshows, someone stood up and asked, "How come the UPS signing bonus (we were all sure he was about to say "is so much bigger?") ... " BC cut him off and said, "Let's not go there. Every section of this contract is better than UPS's." He then proceeded to give numerous examples.

Basically he said UPS negotiated to get to the OLD FedEx contract in everything except hourly pay rates.

Mark

Baaaaaaa
 

I like to think our avatars are a subliminal message to our true sexual interests! :eek: :D

I've looked over the UPS contract and I don't see it being inferior to the FDX contract. Some sections are different and some, (I think) are better. I'll beat my chest in triumph after I see the extra grid money BC said is in our new work rules. Dam sure don't understand them by reading it. :o