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Old 08-13-2013 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
He needs to print himself a personality.
He's actually correct. Not to mention that FDX ALPA undercut our contract by about 13%! Thanks guys.
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Old 08-13-2013 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
brownie, you've always seen things that UPS has done as "good things." It's just too bad that regardless of what "good things" your corporation does, or has done, none of them seems to have a positive effect on your crew force.
I won't/can't speak for him, but I think/hope he's pointing out that its the IPA that has gotten anything good for the line pilot at UPS. The corporation, in fact most corporations have no interest in doing anything "good" for their labor force. They want to just barely do enough to keep a work force in place...anything more than that they view as wasted money. Contrasting UPS and FDX is perilous on many fronts from the perspective of a line pilot. I would suggest that up until now, much of your success is due to the largess of Fred, while virtually all ours is due to hard fought battles with a company that started before the airplane was invented, deals with the likes of Teamsters, pays far and above FDX in all classes of worker (other than pilots) and still beats your profit margin consistently.

A far better apples/apples comparison will emerge when our respective contracts come out. The small-largess of UPS is pretty much constant (as in pretty much zero), the economy has largely shrunk around our necks. FDX OTOH seems to be (reading some of your guys' remarks and reading company press releases about things like subcontracting changes) preparing to shrink around yours. Fred's largess seems conditional, and it will test your metal.

Good luck to all of us...we're in a relatively small sea in a larger ocean together.

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Old 08-13-2013 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
He's actually correct. Not to mention that FDX ALPA undercut our contract by about 13%! Thanks guys.

That can't be true ... at the 'roadshow' selling our last ALPA contract, when the negotiating committee chairman was asked how the TA compared to UPS he said, "EVERY section is better than UPS!"

I know that I believe everything ALPA says ...
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Old 08-13-2013 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
He's actually correct. Not to mention that FDX ALPA undercut our contract by about 13%! Thanks guys.

And what is he/she correct about? While we reduced our hours to keep full employment no one past 2 year pay was working for $88k. Particularly the ocean crossing heavies.
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