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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1526593)
Clamp...from a Delta guy whose folks came in from South America and landed on the taxiway in ATL...or Hank Duffy's DC-9 wrong airport excursion...that's a rich comment.
Or is the "Grits Mafia" pure as the driven snow? Maybe you should be more concerned about how ol' Lee is gonna explain DPA at the next Exec Board meeting... ........good point! Every airline has skeletons in the closet :eek: |
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I was asking factually if they had done a crossing prior to the JFK leg... i.e. asking how fatigued they possibly were. Feel free to read, fire, aim again though. ;)[/QUOTE] Impossible, cargo pilots don't fatigue..... Haven't you heard? |
Originally Posted by Larry in TN
(Post 1526950)
When the 6,001' runway is also one-third narrower than the 12,000' runway they really don't look all that much different at night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_A...ight_472_(1972) Above Link requires you click on Did you mean: link to get to correct page New Straits Times - Google News Archive Search |
Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
(Post 1526602)
Didn't Delta land one at Macdill Air Force Base instead of Tampa several years ago?
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"there but for the grace of.............."
Wake up 0630am, kids getting ready for school, work in yard all morning, around 3pm take nap, 4pm neighbor gets leaf blower going, nap ends, oh well, it's only a 3hrs flight, 7pm dinner with family, 8pm start packing, shower, etc, 10pm say good byes to family and leave for the 90 mins+ drive to JFK, get to ops around midnite, usual stuff, then wait for ride to the jet, 2am takeoff, finally, 6th cup of coffee, 2hrs. and 6 more cups later brief for arrival, hey, no sweat, hotel bed is less than 90 mins away, wow look to our left and see runway, final check, line up on runway, hmmm?? oh well, lights must be off on ramp, Gov. closed again, 'nice landing Capt.' wow auto brakes off, push those pedals! ***??? Typical night for "freight dogs" 'this is the life you have chosen!' |
Except they landed at 9:20 pm central.
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Some assumptions here: unlike Delta, etc., Atlas operates all over the world, into less than ideal airfields and in somewhat austere conditions. Other Supplementals do the same, operating into an airfield for the first time, no advance survey team, minimal information, etc. Has Delta operated into Al Asad?
That being said, what if they'd landed at Kinshasa instead of Brazzaville? Or couldn't find a military base in Egypt or Oman that's not on any chart? I would expect a carrier like Atlas would have a little more emphasis in their training in order to avoid the "oops, we made a mistake but don't say anything because it may happen to you". |
Originally Posted by The Walrus
(Post 1527135)
Except they landed at 9:20 pm central.
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Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 1527095)
After 42 years of flying... (sip of cognac) They sure look different to me. Next?
Anyone see my garlic breadstick? A 6000 X 100 foot runway, from a 2-mile final, gives an identical perspective in the windshield as a 9000 X 150 foot runway from a 3-mile final. The gentleman's point is valid. |
Originally Posted by crbnftprnt
(Post 1527221)
A 6000 X 100 foot runway, from a 2-mile final, gives an identical perspective in the windshield as a 9000 X 150 foot runway from a 3-mile final. The gentleman's point is valid.
No hangars on the east side of KAAO. Soooo? Anyone? Mc Connell Air Force Base http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1312/00453IL19R.PDF Colonel James Jabara Airport http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1312/06234ILD18.PDF Approach briefings go a long long way especially when there are numerous airports with runways aligned in the same direction in the vicinity. |
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