Originally Posted by Pakagecheck
(Post 1610212)
Viper,
IF you got an earlier time stamp to a reserve assignment, If you call the scheduler and ask them, if the reserve has not acknowledged the assignment, they will assign it to you. They most like were assigning it when you put in for it and didn't see your request. It benefits them you flying it as make-up then they get to keep the reserve for something else. It depends on their reserve manning and their target reserve utilization They are looking to cut costs If they have plenty of guys sitting on Reserve (getting paid), they'd rather use them then pay another pilot to pick up the trip |
Originally Posted by busdriver12
(Post 1610082)
Turps, do you actually work at FedEx or are you new?
Originally Posted by busdriver12
(Post 1610171)
Sure, Chuck, I'll enlighten you. I've been massively, tediously, trip trading for about 20 years. He's the real deal. And unlike most people, he doesn't hide behind an anonymous handle. With a few seconds of research and some elementary deductive reasoning, you can figure out exactly who he is. Enlightening. . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1610711)
OK, so you've got "about" 20 years at FedEx and a little over 4 months at APC, and in that short time you've made more posts than Turps since he joined APC a little more than 4 years earlier, but here's an SA tip.
He's the real deal. And unlike most people, he doesn't hide behind an anonymous handle. With a few seconds of research and some elementary deductive reasoning, you can figure out exactly who he is. Enlightening. . |
I never understand why people get so vehemently cranky to others in these threads, when you may not know who they are, and perhaps it is someone you flew with last week. Chuck said, "enlighten me," so I did. I don't feel the need to look up someone's name on the seniority list, especially since people can put any name they like on here. The questions he asks do sound like someone who is new, or doesn't work for the company.
That said, I've talked to some guys who are fairly senior and know almost nothing about trip trading. They manage to get great schedules without the same misery and constant effort that most of us do. It does surprise me when people have little clue of how trip trades work, but if I was able to hold one of my top 100 bid line choices, maybe I wouldn't be familiar with it either. |
Originally Posted by DLax85
(Post 1610420)
I'll respectfully disagree with your last statement
It depends on their reserve manning and their target reserve utilization They are looking to cut costs If they have plenty of guys sitting on Reserve (getting paid), they'd rather use them then pay another pilot to pick up the trip One thing you might try if you put in for a makeup for a trip that leaves pretty quickly, is to put it in and call crew scheduling. I hate calling them for anything, but this is the one time I'll call and ask them if nobody else is ahead of me, if they could give me that trip before they assign it to a reserve. The few times I've done that, they've processed it right then. If you don't do that, they could assign it to a reserve before even viewing your makeup request, not intentionally, but just because they're in the middle of assigning reserves. |
Originally Posted by Pakagecheck
(Post 1610212)
Turp,
I specifically called the scheduling manager about 2 years ago about this. This is what I was told... i. SUB, RAT, PMU - first priority, all equal ii. Make-up/trip trade - all make-up types and trip trade processed on time stamp, no pecking order. Then AFB then RSV then vol then draft. Pakage With your's and busdriver's posts I think that the section of the contract I quoted only applies during the view/add window when there are no trades with open time on the table. The rest of the time although not spelled out in the contract it is as the two of you describe. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1610732)
His real name is Tuck Churpin?
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I like that, turpentine. I believe that you are correct about that section of the contract only applying during the time they are assigning open time. However, sometimes the schedulers do not completely adhere to that, they do what is easy. If you put too many restrictions in, they might ignore your general makeup request. Sometimes they just forget to look. I have very little trust in a general makeup request getting the trip I ought to onto my schedule, because it requires the schedulers to make an effort. Some of them do, some don't bother. The contract seems to be ignored upon convenience. But I believe you are right about the way it should work.
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
(Post 1610944)
I like that, turpentine. I believe that you are correct about that section of the contract only applying during the time they are assigning open time. However, sometimes the schedulers do not completely adhere to that, they do what is easy. If you put too many restrictions in, they might ignore your general makeup request. Sometimes they just forget to look. I have very little trust in a general makeup request getting the trip I ought to onto my schedule, because it requires the schedulers to make an effort. Some of them do, some don't bother. The contract seems to be ignored upon convenience. But I believe you are right about the way it should work.
If you feel that they HAVE ignored the contract, call ALPA Contract Enforcement with the details (proof) & they will gladly call over to the company & attempt to correct the situation (in cases where the contract has actually been "ignored"/violated/"accidentally" not followed) - again, that has been my personal experience - ymmv contract language loopholes/interpretation differences that have already been vetted (& we/the union have typically lost ground over) are a completely DIFFERENT situation than schedulers just "ignoring the contract out of convenience" |
Originally Posted by DLax85
(Post 1610420)
I'll respectfully disagree with your last statement
It depends on their reserve manning and their target reserve utilization They are looking to cut costs If they have plenty of guys sitting on Reserve (getting paid), they'd rather use them then pay another pilot to pick up the trip |
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