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Preach on brother Redeye!

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 1625509)

I agree, simply wearing a pin and a Lanyard isn't going to bring the Company to it's knees. My point is…

If pilots will not even wear a Pin and a Lanyard when requested by the Union Leadership, how can we as a group anyone expect the same individual to support a Union initiative which takes things up a notch?

How tough is it to wear an ALPA Pin and Lanyard?

Rhetorical Question. If we can't get ALL of our Group to follow a simple, easy & Cheap and low threat request such as wearing their ALPA Pins and lanyards, how do you think we would fare as a Group if we are asked to do something that might cost each of us a little money, and force one to put his or her Head above the ridge line?

It is a simple litmus test really. Both the Union leadership and Management take notice.

Patton said it like this:

"If you can't get them to salute when they should salute and wear the clothes you tell them to wear, how are you going to get them to die for their country?"

- General George Patton Jr

“It is absurd to believe that soldiers who cannot be made to wear the proper uniform can be induced to move forward in battle. Officers who fail to perform their duty by correcting small violations and in enforcing proper conduct are incapable of leading.”

- General George S. Patton Jr., April 1943

We didn't win the cold war by blanketing the enemy with mushroom clouds. We won it by convincing the enemy that we could do it and that we would do it. Deterrence is based convincing the opponent that you have both the abilty to destroy and the will to do it. So far, we haven't convinced our opponent that we have either the will or the ability. We've only reiterated our desire to do no harm.

I believe we have the potential -- a membership willing to step up to the plate and make the sacrifices needed. What we lack is a Patton.

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Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1625608)

Patton said it like this:
I believe we have the potential -- a membership willing to step up to the plate and make the sacrifices needed.

What we lack is a Patton.
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Great Quotes….

Problem is we aren't a Military Organization either.

I get the Leadership thing.

Patton could Order his subordinates around. Our Guys MEC can't they can only request.

This problem isn't new. We have had it since ALPA 1, Apathy.

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Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1625608)

Deterrence is based convincing the opponent that you have both the abilty to destroy and the will to do it. So far, we haven't convinced our opponent that we have either the will or the ability. We've only reiterated our desire to do no harm.

I believe we have the potential -- a membership willing to step up to the plate and make the sacrifices needed. What we lack is a Patton.

This is a really good flying job. It should be a GREAT flying job. It could be but it never will be as long as the leadership and/or the pilots don't understand the process of negotiating a contract and have the WILL to make it happen. As others have said, the only thing - I repeat, the ONLY thing that gets management's attention is operating cost and delivering the goods. I absolutely do not like the idea of a financial war. But I also absolutely believe that anything less will not move management. History proves that to be true at this property. Others think management will ultimately come around to appreciating our value to the bottom line. As long as the two different views exist, we will remain stagnated.

Negotiations ; how about picketing ???

Won't they just sub a whole bunch of international flying to Atlas like they did last time a strike was threatened?

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Originally Posted by Flightmech (Post 1631668)

Won't they just sub a whole bunch of international flying to Atlas like they did last time a strike was threatened?

Or our customers may "sub" their international needs

Are we in a game of "chicken" here?

One would think a wise company would rather protect revenue and manage internal costs prudently, rather then risk revenue and thereby lose the opportunity to manage costs

Yes, it's a unique dance we must perform together

The debate here seems to be on the style and volume of music, which is necessary to get the company wallflowers to the middle of the dance floor