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Old 04-26-2014 | 02:39 PM
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In today's environment, why the heck is anyone agreeing to concessions?

I'd be getting that other 50% back somehow, some way.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 03:27 PM
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You guys don't know how good you have it. There are thousands and thousands of us regional pilots that work every bit as hard as you do, while making 10% of your salary with astonishingly sub-par work rules, and you're here complaining about jury duty.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Anderson
You guys don't know how good you have it. There are thousands and thousands of us regional pilots that work every bit as hard as you do, while making 10% of your salary with astonishingly sub-par work rules, and you're here complaining about jury duty.

You miss the point, Mr. Anderson. You may think it's just complaining, and in bad form at that since you make less than Fedex pilots. But be glad that people are complaining and fighting these fights that seem so trivial to you now. How do you lose a mile without knowing it? An inch at a time.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Anderson
You guys don't know how good you have it. There are thousands and thousands of us regional pilots that work every bit as hard as you do, while making 10% of your salary with astonishingly sub-par work rules, and you're here complaining about jury duty.
No one forces you to fly for crap wages...you have chosen to do so. You want better wages and work rules, quit working for them.
Your fellow pilots voted for your pay rates, they weren't forced down their throats by management.

No one here should waste time educating you on a basic tenet of this profession.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Anderson
You guys don't know how good you have it. There are thousands and thousands of us regional pilots that work every bit as hard as you do, while making 10% of your salary with astonishingly sub-par work rules, and you're here complaining about jury duty.
As pointed out to you already, this isn't about jury duty, it's about the principle. Their CBA makes it clear what kind of pay protection there will be when a pilot is "on-call" for jury duty. And now their Association reps have bargained away 50% of that pay protection? For what, that's the real question? Hopefully not for naught.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
No one forces you to fly for crap wages...you have chosen to do so. You want better wages and work rules, quit working for them.
Your fellow pilots voted for your pay rates, they weren't forced down their throats by management.

No one here should waste time educating you on a basic tenet of this profession.
You're correct, no one forces anyone to do anything. However, it's easier to fight for improvements from the inside than it is from the street Plus, you know, currency, time-building, paying dues, general career progression and all that ish.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Anderson
You guys don't know how good you have it. There are thousands and thousands of us regional pilots that work every bit as hard as you do, while making 10% of your salary with astonishingly sub-par work rules, and you're here complaining about jury duty.
We know exactly how good we have it, and we are trying to raise to bar for the rest of the profession. Just as others at our carrier and others have done for us for years.

You are welcome.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
CBA Section 25.Y.5. states.
" In jurisdictions where a juror is required to stay in his city and call jury administration authorities daily to be available for jury assignment, a pilot shall be eligible for jury duty pay protection ..."
Not half pay protection, or half pay protections and some make-up credit.


Positive Rate Weekly, 4/22/14
Call-In Jury Duty Settlement Agreement

"On effective date of next CBA,
2. All call-in jury duty pay protection paid at 50%
o the CH value of the dropped trip/R-day that will go into make-up will not be deducted from the pilot’s pay until the paycheck issued on the 15th day of the third ensuing calendar month (e.g. – if January bid period trip dropped, the deduction will be on April 15 paycheck if hours not made up)"
WHY are we agreeing to half pay for a whole day of work?




Who made this agreement? Did the MEC know about it and agree to it, or did the MEC Chairman sign it and brief them afterwards on a teleconference?


What's next? Half pay on R-days where you don't actually fly? Third pay for airport standbys when you don't launch?






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Do not spit up your dinner but we agree!!! Why give up 50% when the contract language is clear!
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Old 04-26-2014 | 07:01 PM
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Call-In Jury Duty Settlement Agreement


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Let us review. We have just lost 50% of our guarantee for the seldom used, but contractually guaranteed jury duty clause.

For this, we have received...nothing. Nothing now, and nothing in the terms of the next CBA.

Got it. Thank you.
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Old 04-26-2014 | 08:08 PM
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Perhaps we can buy it back.......isn't that how it works?
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