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Overnitefr8 05-24-2014 07:43 AM

FDX - Airline Update FCIF
 
Gee, I wonder why RF didn't mention the company dragging its feet during contract negotiations as one of the many distractions. :mad:

ptarmigan 05-24-2014 08:02 AM

Management's method of reducing error is summarized in this video.

moondoggie11 05-24-2014 08:46 AM

The proverbial elephant in the room.

I'd say the Company Negotiating Committee should be considered "amateur" rather than "professional" due to their lack of "diligence" over the past 39 months. Apparently no one told them we're the "best group of aviation professionals in the industry."

Wildmanny 05-24-2014 09:27 AM

I just love how these toads in Management (RF, TM, BM) love to hammer everyone for not being vigilant and yet, if you look at their schedules, they sit safely in their little OFC cubicles, flying an occasional afternoon joyride with their buds. For them to put their ticket on the line (never) and then put out their little missives...it's nauseating. This is not to absolve me personally of being vigilant...everyone makes mistakes. But these clowns really have no idea what goes on out on the line because they never fly it. I'm slightly sick of hearing them preach from their exalted positions. Fly your contract, boys and girls.
WM :mad:

Gunter 05-24-2014 09:34 AM


It’s been said that the difference between an amateur and professional is diligence.

This is the time of the year where there are many distractions; Kids graduating, family vacations to plan and the vacation itself.

Given the recent increase in FAA inquires and possible flight violations, it is time that we...return to our normal highly diligent position as the best group of aviation professionals in the industry.

While each one of these events, individually, may not be an indicator of a System failure, collectively they should concern us all.

Fly Safe
I'd like to see management approach the negotiating table in a professional, not amateurish, manner. Why do our bosses continue to fail to exercise diligence? I think about it ALL the time now.

Yes the distractions have been piling up. They hope we aren't about to reach the point of system failure. There isn't a good prediction model for it. They can only record it when it happens.

What do you think PC is telling his bosses? Is he as concerned about it as we and the writer of this message seem to be?

Not too long ago we were worried about the safety record of the MD-11.

FDXLAG 05-24-2014 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by moondoggie11 (Post 1650756)
The proverbial elephant in the room.

I'd say the Company Negotiating Committee should be considered "amateur" rather than "professional" due to their lack of "diligence" over the past 39 months. Apparently no one told them we're the "best group of aviation professionals in the industry."

I guess it depends on whether you think their professional objective is to hammer out an agreement or to just string us along.

ptarmigan 05-24-2014 02:27 PM

Here is an article pointing out how inane blaming the pilots is.

Overnitefr8 05-24-2014 04:06 PM

Don't know of too many conversations in the cockpit recently about graduations, vacations, and the like. Seems to be more about sick policies, negotiations, deviation webpages and things like that. Obviously mgmt doesn't know what is really distracting us. Only if it really were the items mentioned in the FCIF.

DLax85 05-24-2014 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 1650919)
Don't know of too many conversations in the cockpit recently about graduations, vacations, and the like. Seems to be more about sick policies, negotiations, deviation webpages and things like that. Obviously mgmt doesn't know what is really distracting us. Only if it really were the items mentioned in the FCIF.

......+1

Fly rested, fly healthy, fly conservatively, fly safely!

Adlerdriver 05-24-2014 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Wildmanny (Post 1650776)
Fly your contract, boys and girls.
WM :mad:

2 x Front-end DH trips to Asia with carryover sitting in ANC F/O open time. Untouched for almost 48 hours. Let's hope this is the start of something. Nice job guys.

FamilyATM 05-24-2014 07:29 PM

I hope the union piggy backs off this FCIF and puts out a message discussing other distractions (like negotiations) and how we should be professional, well rested (flying extra will cut into your rest) and fly to rule. Seems like a good opportunity to me. The ATM

busdriver12 05-24-2014 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 1650919)
Don't know of too many conversations in the cockpit recently about graduations, vacations, and the like. Seems to be more about sick policies, negotiations, deviation webpages and things like that. Obviously mgmt doesn't know what is really distracting us. Only if it really were the items mentioned in the FCIF.

Couldn't have possibly said it better! Really, the distractions in the cockpit are about graduations and vacations? Good God!! What planet do these people live on?:eek:

Overnitefr8 05-25-2014 05:07 AM

Guess I better call in sick the week before my vacation, I'll be too stressed from planning to fly. Better call in sick the week after the vacation because the vacation itself was too stressful!

magic rat 05-25-2014 05:27 AM

Absolutely floored about the this FCIF...

Graduations and vacations? Nooooo....

Here's what the company brings into my cockpit..

When I click sick, I'm told to go to the DR to prove it.
Accepted fares DO NOT MATCH what the company ultimately paid for the ticket.
And we are still waiting on a contract.

Graduations? Summer vacations? Pathetic and out of touch leadership. Period.

FDXLAG 05-25-2014 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by magic rat (Post 1651115)
Absolutely floored about the this FCIF...

Graduations and vacations? Nooooo....

Here's what the company brings into my cockpit..

When I click sick, I'm told to go to the DR to prove it.
Accepted fares DO NOT MATCH what the company ultimately paid for the ticket.
And we are still waiting on a contract.

Graduations? Summer vacations? Pathetic and out of touch leadership. Period.

If you read between the lines I think the company says we taxi too fast.

Full pull 05-25-2014 08:14 AM

Obviously I'm doing something wrong in the cockpit. I'm going to slow way down and make sure I'm not screwing something up. I thank management for clarifying what the union was telling us.

Pakagecheck 05-25-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1651193)
Obviously I'm doing something wrong in the cockpit. I'm going to slow way down and make sure I'm not screwing something up. I thank management for clarifying what the union was telling us.

First FCIF that has shown true clarity about anything in a long time!

busdriver12 05-25-2014 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1651193)
Obviously I'm doing something wrong in the cockpit. I'm going to slow way down and make sure I'm not screwing something up. I thank management for clarifying what the union was telling us.

That was considerate of them. I've been so distracted, trying to figure out what to wear to graduation, should it be the blue shirt, or the brown one? I just can't even concentrate on what I'm doing, while worrying about that shirt.....and of course my upcoming vacation. Such distress. I'd better be extra safe.

Wildmanny 05-25-2014 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1651193)
I thank management for clarifying what the union was telling us.

Flight ops manglement at its finest. Seriously, be safe!

PS--Just remember guys, unfortunately we aren't negotiating with the likes of our ops leadership, but with lawyers. Keep your eyes on the ball, fly your contract, and My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me.

moondoggie11 05-25-2014 10:11 AM

"This is the time of the year where there are many" management "distractions; Kids graduating, family vacations to plan and the vacation itself."

After re-reading the FCIF, I finally understand the author's perspective and intent. That's the way THEY think. Obviously, he meant to differentiate between management and line pilot distractions but he was so distracted in his cubicle that he forgot the other list. Thankfully, this thread has spelled it out for him.

When will the clue bird land on their collective shoulder?

Safety first!

Pakagecheck 05-25-2014 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Wildmanny (Post 1651228)
Flight ops manglement at its finest. Seriously, be safe!

PS--Just remember guys, unfortunately we aren't negotiating with the likes of our ops leadership, but with lawyers.

WM,
While I get your general intent, who do you think is sitting across the table from our negotiators?

Nothing dumb, daring or different.... just the contract.
Pakage

flextodaline 05-25-2014 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 1651052)
Couldn't have possibly said it better! Really, the distractions in the cockpit are about graduations and vacations? Good God!! What planet do these people live on?:eek:

A planet where no managers fly, or HAVE flown the line with any regularity.

Nitefrater 05-25-2014 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by magic rat (Post 1651115)
Graduations? Summer vacations? Pathetic and out of touch leadership. Period.

It's not leadership, nor does it pretend to be. Leadership and management are NOT the same thing. We have management.

DLax85 05-25-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Nitefrater (Post 1651276)
...It's not leadership, nor does it pretend to be. Leadership and management are NOT the same thing. We have management.

Agree

Resources are managed

People are led

However, in the world of aviation safety one commonly looks at:

Man, Machine, Medium, Management and Mission

If you're going to effectively talk/preach to people about safety, it requires true leadership

Wildmanny 05-25-2014 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Pakagecheck (Post 1651252)
WM,
While I get your general intent, who do you think is sitting across the table from our negotiators?

Nothing dumb, daring or different.... just the contract.
Pakage

Of course there is a management guy there, I think it is JP this go around, but it doesn't make all that much difference. The general intent of my post is that we are battling lawyers, who more than likely have more on the ball than our crack managers. They get some of their input from management.

Gunter 05-25-2014 07:59 PM

I think this falls under words and phrases managers aren't allowed to use.

When they ask about any "vacation" distractions affecting you, with a quick wink, they're really asking about their failure to negotiate.

The answer is - Yes, we are approaching systemic failure

moondoggie11 05-29-2014 03:22 PM

BM Email - Letter to Captains
 
Ah, the elephant in the room is finally acknowledged...due to "an increase in the number and frequency of inflight events."

There's a simple solution...and "making Safety our number one priority" is not it.

MD11Fr8Dog 05-29-2014 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by moondoggie11 (Post 1654289)
Ah, the elephant in the room is finally acknowledged...due to "an increase in the number and frequency of inflight events."

There's a simple solution...and "making Safety our number one priority" is not it.

I wonder if talking about BM's $250K fuel sense bonus, and speculating on his potential sick note bonus would be considered a distraction!

YYESIAV8 05-29-2014 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 1654296)
I wonder if talking about BM's $250K fuel sense bonus, and speculating on his potential sick note bonus would be considered a distraction!

250K...where did you get that info?

MD11Fr8Dog 05-29-2014 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by YYESIAV8 (Post 1654330)
250K...where did you get that info?

Go ask him. ;)

YYESIAV8 05-29-2014 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 1654344)
Go ask him. ;)

Oh, so you pulled that one out of your a$$

Adlerdriver 05-30-2014 10:20 AM

Maybe these guys were distracted by no contract or they're flying sick. Good thing it was an MD-10. Geez. :eek:
Tilted landing caught at the right moment | Perfectly Timed Pics

HoursHore 05-30-2014 11:52 AM

Maybe that's what a full xwind landing looks like from the out side. Rudders full over.

Gunpig 05-30-2014 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by HoursHore (Post 1654814)
Maybe that's what a full xwind landing looks like from the out side. Rudders full over.

That would be my guess....looks textbook

MD11Fr8Dog 06-01-2014 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by YYESIAV8 (Post 1654350)
Oh, so you pulled that one out of your a$$

Nope! Go ask him!

frozenboxhauler 06-02-2014 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by HoursHore (Post 1654814)
Maybe that's what a full xwind landing looks like from the out side. Rudders full over.

I agree and I'd say it's a pretty good crosswind from the right.. Look at the rubber cloud from the right truck, it's already moved downwind.
fbh


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