kwri10s

Being newly educated in the inner workings of the UPS "pool", I might be grossly mistaken in my understanding. So for clarification, an interviewee after finishing the interview process is given a "score" on his/her interview. Their score either grants them the right to wait for a potential hiring slot or they are denied employment. If they are given the "opportunity" to wait for a future potential hire are they given the opportunity to re-interview every six months? Is there any method for the possible hire to improve their score after the interview? For example, does more hours give them more points, or a LCA upgrade add points, or even a better quality suit? Or is their snapshot score on a sim and interview the score they are stuck with in the pool?

We have several potential UPS guys in the unit and a better understanding of the hiring system would be great.

EDPM

I guess that's pretty accurate. I don't necessarily think your "score" in-and-of-itself is the determining factor in whether or not you're placed in the pool though. For example, you might have a high score based on your experience and sim performance, but your personality or attitude during the interview might be enough to generate a rejection. In other words, I don't think the process is purely quantitative.

Insofar as improving your score, I was always told to update my resumé while swimming at least quarterly for this very purpose. Apparently your score is fluid, meaning as you gain hours, type ratings, etc., you might improve your relative position in the pool.

With regard to being given the opportunity to reinterview, I think that's determined on an individual basis. Interviewing unsuccessfully doesn't guarantee you the opportunity to reinterview in the future.

EDPM

Pilot7576

kwri10s...

If you pass the interview, you are either offered a class date (stellar score) or are placed in the pool (time of notification varies). If you fail to pass the interview, a rejection letter is generated and sent (again, time varies). I have heard instances where another interview (and succesful hiring) is still possible after a first rejection. If you are rejected, you are not placed in any pool.

Depending on your "score" during the interview, ups will fill class dates as needed. If someone subsequent to you interviews and is scored higher, they will be placed in class ahead of you. The latest hiring seems to bias in favor of those with heavy time (esp md11) for future placement to anc domicile.

Hope this helps in your understanding of the ups pool system. Again, I wish it was a fifo pool but the golden rule applies here (ups has the gold and makes the rules).

Pilot7576

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

I have been in the UPS pool for a freaking long a** time.

A2B – first of all – sorry you’ve had to wait this long. HOWEVER, your post makes it sound as if you’re totally dumbfounded and very confused about why this is happening to you?

Well, I’m sure that part of your interview was to explain what you know about the company, and if so, surely you must have known about the competitive hiring pool? If you hadn’t heard about it prior to your interview then you must have missed some homework on UPS history (I’m not saying that you did though). It’s nothing new, whether you, or anyone else, like it or not – it’s their prerogative to choose the rules, and they did just that. Years ago may I add?

The very little I understand about the pool is that once you are “graded” there’s really no way to change your numbers even if you rack up another 100 hours a month as a captain on the whale. Your score is based on the HR portion, the sim portion, and anything else that might be on your record, failed check rides, numerous job changes (not furloughs), dealings with the FAA, heck I’m sure they even look into your driving record. Again, I don’t know this as a fact, that’s just what I heard. So somehow, your score got a little lower than you were hoping for and unfortunately you’ll probably never know why. No airline will ever volunteer that information to you, or even why they rejected an individual, for fear of lawsuits. Btw., a pool is still way better than a rejection letter. A friend of mine was trying to help out an MD11 driver from a small cargo outfit and was told by someone in the HR that they’ve only re-interviewed 4 pilots in the last 6 years or so, and those guys had some major connections. Remember, at least you’re in the pool but unfortunately you’re still waiting for the magic call. It’s ok though because eventually, hopefully sooner than later, you’ll get that call.

Lastly, any advice for getting out?

Well, I strongly recommend that you attend the Women-in-Aviation job fair in Orlando (February). Don’t panic, many guys go there (I did and it got me a job ). It’s a great job fair and you’ll have lots of time to talk to the recruiters and re-introduce yourself to them. I heard Paige is moving up to a different department so I’m not sure if she’ll be there or not, but you’ll definitely see someone from the HR there. Bring your latest resume to show them you are flying heavies out of ANC and come with a GREAT ATTITUDE! I’m sure they do not want to hear: “my buddy interviewed after me but was called for a class before me, what’s up with that?” Trust me – the wait is worth it! Good luck to you! - I sincerely mean it!

Btw, there was a pilot in my class who was in the pool 26 months and 10 days (but he kept saying that he wasn’t counting?! ) Hope you and all other long-term poolies are next.

a2b boxhaul

av80r,
Thanks for the insight. I looked for women in aviation and couldn't find their url. do you know it? I will happily continue to wait until the call comes . As always fly safe. See ya in ANC.

SKYWAITRESS

wai.org
SW

a2b boxhaul

thanks skywaitress.

HotMamaPilot

wia is a joke. A pure joke. It is as political an organization as any i've ever seen or even heard of. First of all, let me just say that I find this "organization" extremely patronizing. Yes, I am a woman, and NO I do not need any special benefits that the "other gender" doesn't get. Secondly, like any other organiztion, it favors a small few. I wouldn't waste my time on anything that has to do with wia.

767pilot

Getting a job, is a job. If it would help to go to WIA, I would just suck it up and go. You can poke fun of them later if you'd like (we call them the CIA around our place). If the UPS recruiters like to see male applicants with so in touch with their femine side that they would show up at the WIA convention, then so be it, he should go.

Freightpuppy

I agree.

CIA? Nice.

Anyways, I know at least 3 guys and a gal that went to WIA and got on with UPS shortly thereafter. Another buddy of mine went and got an interview with Airtran, Continental and Alaska right after the conference. He's at Alaska now. Basically, I always looked at it as another job fair, like AirInc. They have other things going on, but I always went to talk to the airlines and meet us with some friends once a year. It gets you face to face with the people that decide who to interview. You also get more time with the people because there just aren't as many people in line there as there are at AirInc.