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Originally Posted by jungle
(Post 1734809)
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, if you can pause long enough to accept that there are other solutions perhaps you can explain why a simple contract update commonly takes two to five years.
It isn't like the entire wheel has to be designed from scratch each time, what is the complication that burns up those years? What is the motive for the delay? Why is this considered acceptable? |
Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 1734865)
A cynic might suspect that this could be one reason: Even when both sides know approximately where they will end up, they have constituents who do not know this. To satisfy them, each side must open with an extreme position and perform a choreographed dance, slowly and with dragging feet, toward the "center". Clumsy dancers will step on toes and cause a scene. Skillful dancers only appear to step on toes, but the moves are rehearsed. ;)
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 1734865)
A cynic might suspect that this could be one reason: Even when both sides know approximately where they will end up, they have constituents who do not know this. To satisfy them, each side must open with an extreme position and perform a choreographed dance, slowly and with dragging feet, toward the "center". Clumsy dancers will step on toes and cause a scene. Skillful dancers only appear to step on toes, but the moves are rehearsed. ;)
Exactly, the Kabuki dancers want to get paid too, and it looks like they are doing important "work". |
Originally Posted by golfandfly
(Post 1734886)
Yeah, I can help explain. These contracts are a big expense for corporations. It benefits them to drag out these expenses as long as possible. Not that difficult. I really don't see where it benefits the union to delay these negotiations.
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
(Post 1734886)
Yeah, I can help explain. These contracts are a big expense for corporations. It benefits them to drag out these expenses as long as possible. Not that difficult. I really don't see where it benefits the union to delay these negotiations.
Corporations make a lot of money from a lengthy delay, it isn't a cost, but it is an increase in profit. Unions look like they are earning their keep, despite doing very little over the long term of negotiations. In the end everyone declares victory and pilots, corporations and unions celebrate in a mutual funfest. In the end pilots are very lucky if they have just barely kept up with inflation, corporations book profits and unions feel they have done a good days work. Take a look at that ALPO pay roster sometime.:o |
Jungle, I've lurked this site for a while now and I've seen your posts and pondered on this question. Is that a picture of yourself as your avatar? If so, you are one cool dude, the slightly askew sunglasses and the cigarette makes you look like Ernest Hemingway. One day I hope to be that cool.
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Doorknob, If so, Jungle bears an uncanny resemblance to Hunter S. Thompson. I loved reading his stuff.
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Originally Posted by Doorknob
(Post 1737415)
Jungle, I've lurked this site for a while now and I've seen your posts and pondered on this question. Is that a picture of yourself as your avatar? If so, you are one cool dude, the slightly askew sunglasses and the cigarette makes you look like Ernest Hemingway. One day I hope to be that cool.
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Does anyone know if we have upcoming negotiating dates scheduled?:confused:
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Originally Posted by Busboy
(Post 1738385)
Does anyone know if we have upcoming negotiating dates scheduled?:confused:
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