Originally Posted by MaxKts
(Post 1742227)
The problem, according to SS wasn't giving up a piece of the pie - it was that the NB pilots would get a bigger pay raise than the WB pilots! In other words it was going to benefit the junior pilots more than the senior pilots and we just can't have that. :(
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
(Post 1742194)
Give up it. We all know you don't work at FDX you F'n coward. Oh look! The Regional boards are missing their village idiot! Suggest you head back on over there...
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Originally Posted by a300fr8dog
(Post 1742221)
Star Clipper: 72 posts? Stooge? Plant? Probably.
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Star,
Right now about 15% of the pilots are on NB rate. However, if they touch a 76 they get WB rate for that trip. I don't know the percentage of pilots getting pass over but there is a portion. What you may not see is the QOL that the split gives. Being able to hold lines in/out of your hometown, well prior than if we had a single pay rate. With a single pay rate, the tendacy it to upgrade at 100% because of the pay disparity between Capt and F/O. Also, if a single pay rate was implemented, a system wide bid would have to take place and I am sure that there is a percentage that would not want that due to potentially loosing one's recurring line to someone more senior. The majority of pilots on the NB are there by choice. While outside looking in it might seem great, to actually see it from within is different. I think it is all about options.. JMHO |
Originally Posted by Pakagecheck
(Post 1742414)
Star,
Right now about 15% of the pilots are on NB rate. However, if they touch a 76 they get WB rate for that trip. I don't know the percentage of pilots getting pass over but there is a portion. What you may not see is the QOL that the split gives. Being able to hold lines in/out of your hometown, well prior than if we had a single pay rate. With a single pay rate, the tendacy it to upgrade at 100% because of the pay disparity between Capt and F/O. Also, if a single pay rate was implemented, a system wide bid would have to take place and I am sure that there is a percentage that would not want that due to potentially loosing one's recurring line to someone more senior. The majority of pilots on the NB are there by choice. While outside looking in it might seem great, to actually see it from within is different. I think it is all about options.. JMHO Understood, it's just funny how some guys take it personal anytime a single pay rate is mention. I know there would be a lot of displacement if it was implemented, however it would be an even playing field and less training cycles for all. |
Originally Posted by StarClipper
(Post 1742442)
Understood, it's just funny how some guys take it personal anytime a single pay rate is mention. I know there would be a lot of displacement if it was implemented, however it would be an even playing field and less training cycles for all.
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Originally Posted by Pakagecheck
(Post 1742447)
True, but the less training cycles is better for the company, so if it is better for them, let them offer it up. Also, about 30% of the current 75 captains would not be able to hold it.
LOL, not a bad way to look at it. |
Not that anyone asked but, my opinion on single payscale is this. Pilots bid for only two reasons pay or quality of life issues. If you take one of those away it's bad for the whole group. Movement on a seniority list via training is good for pilots bad for company. With a single pay scale obviously there would be less training. I think for a pilot group comprised of predominantly commuters a single pay scale is very bad. Here's a **** poor example of what I'm trying to convey.
Lets say you are the no. 4 757 f/o in Nashville and you can never hold Nashville layovers, sooner or later (maybe just maybe) one of the guys senior to you bids for the money and not the quality of life issues and moves on, now you can hold Nashville until you bid for money. OK I know bad example but I can't think of one reason single payscale is good. Except for NB guys getting a raise. But if you want the money bid a WB. |
Originally Posted by soonersig
(Post 1742474)
Not that anyone asked but, my opinion on single payscale is this. Pilots bid for only two reasons pay or quality of life issues. If you take one of those away it's bad for the whole group. Movement on a seniority list via training is good for pilots bad for company. With a single pay scale obviously there would be less training. I think for a pilot group comprised of predominantly commuters a single pay scale is very bad. Here's a **** poor example of what I'm trying to convey.
Lets say you are the no. 4 757 f/o in Nashville and you can never hold Nashville layovers, sooner or later (maybe just maybe) one of the guys senior to you bids for the money and not the quality of life issues and moves on, now you can hold Nashville until you bid for money. OK I know bad example but I can't think of one reason single payscale is good. Except for NB guys getting a raise. But if you want the money bid a WB. |
Originally Posted by Pakagecheck
(Post 1742447)
True, but the less training cycles is better for the company, so if it is better for them, let them offer it up. Also, about 30% of the current 75 captains would not be able to hold it.
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