Ebola and Work assignments
 

How does anyone out here feel about getting on a passenger airliner , not knowing if the person sitting next to you has been infected with this virus ? Temperature monitoring at those airports receiving passengers from the known affected region in the world with Ebola does very little to convince folks that our Government is watching out for us.
Personally, I don't think this was given enough attention at the onset and the resultant efforts are far too weak to ensure safety for the travelling public. There has not been enough effort put into the safety of the travelling public. This is not an HIV outbreak , this is a killer virus that has the ability to mutate and work itself into our personal lives.
There is just now a report of a Dallas hospital worker becoming infected with this Ebola virus ........... We have been told just last week that Ebola would not be spread here in the USA.

Given the 10-day incubation period, passengers could be infected even if they don't have a temperature. The temperature check that is being instituted is nothing a couple of Tylenol can't defeat. If an asymptomatic infected Ebola patient's body temperature is normal then what is the point of taking temperatures?

We are all victims of brain dead leadership.

Sit in 1st class and drink scotch.

So, what you are saying is: as long as the two 300lb passengers I am sandwiched between in coach aren't sweating, spitting, bleeding, puking or shatting themselves - everything is good! :eek: :rolleyes:

First of all, our government needs to ban all flights from and to the affected regions.

Ya all better "stock up" in case this becomes an epidemic in the U.S. What I mean is emergency food rations for yourself and your family for a minimum of 3 months; 1 year would be better.

If you don't already, have "personal family protection".

Enough said!

God help us all....

I guess you haven't been on an RJ lately. Very hard not to share vomit, sweat, blood, saliva, urine or feces. The question should be does the person who sat here before you have Ebola?

In which prepper episode are you featured?

Unfortunately, i've been on plenty of RJ's and I think that you're exaggerating and being a bit dramatic.;)

Eight years ago my best friends wife was taking their two kids on their annual home school trip. They stopped at a McDonalds in Bakersfield for lunch. When leaving the resturant she complained to the son that a guy leaving the restroom sneezed in her face as they passed in a hallway. She was dead of bacterial meningitis about 15 hours later in a Flagstaff hospital. She was 42 and in perfect health prior to the trip. Meningitis normally is transmitted by kissing, sharing eating utensils or drinking from a shared glass. That would indicate that it is carried in saliva. So, a sneeze can kill. I don't know if Ebola can be transmitted this way but it seems that it might.Anyone who has ever spent the endless hours jammed shoulder to schoulder with strangers over the ocean in an airliner knows the score.

Ebola is an RNA virus. RNA viruses have a common characteristic - they mutate with high frequency. Not influenza level, but significantly more often than most.

The longer this infection is allowed to persist, and the more hosts it infects in divergent environments, the higher the likelihood that it is going to a more communicable form, or God forbid, airborne.

If that happens, the 1918 flu pandemic - where every house had someone sick, and bodies were actually stacked up on sidewalks outside houses, because the mortuaries were full up - will pale in comparison.

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We all fall down!

Best indication the crew force is concerned about Ebola - nothing but DeadHead trips sitting in open time.

At the hospital, the sheets of the patient muse be safely removed, transported and destroyed according to Level 4 Biohazard protocol.

I'm absolutely SURE that will happen with airline seats, and magazines, and tissues, etc.

Also, why are level 4 protocols on place for a non-airborn disease?

Biosafety Level 4 includes diseases which are fatal in humans for which vaccines or other effective treatments do not exist...such as Ebola Zaire.

Nothing spreads like fear...

Hmmm, Vox. Aren't these the same guys who said there was a bridge to Gaza? Somehow their oversimplified graphic doesn't make me feel any more at ease.

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The same people telling us not to be afraid, not to panic, and not to be "science deniers" about ebola always respond to ebola situations wearing hazmat suits. When the people telling me not to be worried about ebola stop worrying about ebola, then I'll stop worrying about ebola.

Step away from the Faux News.

I don't get it. I don't have cable or watch Fox. Are you saying there there is no Ebola problem and the federal government will protect us all? What should the people in Dallas do? Are all the hazmat wearing medical workers being suckered by Fox? I saw a story on NBC that said government workers pulled a guy off a a flight while wearing hazmat suits for joking about Ebola. Why are state workers being hoodwinked by Faux News? Should we report them to The State and get them taken off the air? First Amendment blah blah blah, we can't have people yelling fire in a theater. Anyway, I'm glad The President was right and Ebola would not come here. If we could only get Fox to stop lying about Ebola being in Dallas we'd be good.

Those of us up on history will, I hope.
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No, he is saying he gets a tingle in his leg. If Ebola was a problem dear leader would immediately give up fundraising and golf and fix it.

As serious as Ebola is, why are we 10x more concerned about this than the drunk driver looking to hit you on your way to work, the obesity crisis, cancer, lightening strikes, etc, OMG Global Warming, Honey Badger?

7.125 Billion people in this world and let's say 100,000 people have contracted the disease.

316 Million people in the US and 5 people have contracted the disease.

Do some math and see what your chances of getting Ebola are.
I know some panci arises from that Ebola has a 90% mortality rate, but as for now Life itself has a 100% mortality rate.

Are we not serious about drunk driving? What if you just starved yourself for a year to get in shape and contact Ebola anyways? No one is panicking about Ebola, we just think that reasonable precautions are called for and or are not being taken.

Should someone flying into the US from Liberia be questioned about their health or what they did in Liberia? If they were in direct contact with Ebola patients should we immediately let them return to work at your kids daycare?

By the way your kids are much more likely to be paralyzed from the Enterovirus caught from some Central American refugee then they are of catching Ebola.

That's why I am more concerned about the Enterovirus than Ebola.
The proper steps to combat the disease MUST be taken.
But no need for the hype and panic. The media always blows this stuff up. Questioning these people from Western Africa is no different then asking if I've been on a farm, have snails or more than 10K in cash. I say go for it!!

For many people in western Africa, the sky IS falling. Why not take prudent steps to prevent an epidemic here? Seems reasonable to me. It doesn't to you?

history is bound to repeat itself.

I'm not bashing your point per se, but "...prevent an epidemic here?" West Africa is here! This disease affects humans on planet Earth whether they are in West Africa or West Virginia. We do need to take prudent steps to minimize the spread of Ebola, but I would suggest we need to put 10 times more effort into attacking the disease. If we don't, but survive this time, it will be back.

Global air travel being what it is makes geographic quarantine nearly impossible. While banning all people from Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone from entering the U.S. via passport and itinerary checks seems possible, what about banning the people that they have come in contact abroad and what about the people who came in contact with those people? At some point we can't cast a wide enough net. Are we there yet, I don't know. I'm just a pilot. I prefer to listen to someone with a PhD in Virology from Yale.

Officials who are reluctant to contain travel from Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone have a surprise in store for them: political correctness will go right out the window among the American public if and when more cases arise. People of every race and every political persuasion will demand that the doors be shut. We can do it now and probably avoid those additional cases or we can invite tragedy and then gain wisdom at the cost of people's lives.

It already has, a million times over.

Try this. Put an air embargo around the area. Enforce it with French Mirages and American fighters for 6 months. Set up treatment areas there, but nobody leaves…except cleared military and medical personal who quarantine on the way back (think Lajes, Guantanamo Bay, Bermuda, etc.)

A panacea? Of course not. But letting every west African with the sniffles run to his American cousins for a cure is going to kill a lot of innocent Americans, many of whom will wake up quite ****ed if this kills their kids. A man who loses his family has nothing left to lose, and there will be hell to pay if political correctness ends up spreading a disease with 90% mortality rate stateside.

FYI…Emirates has already stopped service. If KLM, Air France, and a few other nations did as well the air embargo could at least mitigate some of the risk.

No need for fighters flying top cover. We need "Passport Profiling"

We admit up front that we are profiling people based solely on their passport. If you hold a passport from INSERT_NAME_OF_COUNTRY_HERE, then you can be singled out for "special" treatment.

If we see Liberia or Guinea on the passport, we say "Sorry, you're not allowed." If we see Saudi Arabia on the passport, we give them extra scrutiny...and maybe tell them to leave their burqas at home. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Not a bad plan, but no mention of aggressively pursuing a cure. Why? Because if that's not part of the plan, we are just kicking a deadly can down the road. We will come back to it again.

HIV provides an interesting comparison. HIV is transmitted like Ebola, but is much less contagious than Ebola. How many people are walking around the U.S. with HIV? And could you pick them out as you walk through the mall, political correctness or not? I'm simply saying we should be more concerned with putting our arms around the disease rather than just those who currently have it. Not much talk about that on the airwaves.

Additionally some dude in a cave or a tent somewhere is trying to figure out how to get Ebola onto a cruise ship or into the misters at Disney in July. There is no quarantine large enough for that.

Please if you know of someone who only needs a little money to find a cure for Ebola give his address. I'll send him a hunded or two. Sometimes money is not the answer, if it were aides and cancer would be thought of as polio. By all means fund a cure but until then fund prevention.

Sorry, HIV is far different than Ebola

The transmission is much, much different

Also, one may have HIV but never develop AIDS. (eg. Magic Johnson)

People with HIV & AIDS can now fight the disease with a wide variety of readily available drugs that are being produced in sufficient quantities

None of this is true about Enola at this time

Yes --- we should aggressively pursue a cure...or vaccine

But, the risks of Ebola and HIV are not equivalent

My in law with a Masters in Public Health from Columbia would disagree with you. The contagiousness is much different, not the transmission. Subtle but significant difference.

One may have Ebola and never die too. 50 to 80% mortality rate is not 100%. Magic had/has world class health care, the masses, including us, won't.

"People with HIV & AIDS can now fight the disease with a wide variety of readily available drugs that are being produced in sufficient quantities". My point exactly, this occurred after millions if not billions were spent doing so. Are we doing this now or are we ONLY focused on checking passports and taking temperatures.

When HIV was first noticed in the U.S., the fear and panic was very similar to what we have now and if you are the one who gets either one, the risks will feel exactly the same.

THE EBOLA VIRUS:Comparison between the HIV AIDS virus and the Ebola virus

AIDS And Ebola Found To Use Same Mechanism To Spread In Body