FDX - BS accepted Fares
 

Ok lets see who can find the most ridiculous screwing FedEx is giving us on accepted fares? I found a doozy... ANC Trip 33 10 APR 15. KIX - SFO on UA accepted Fare $1,708.



The cheapest fare on Route Pricing.. $3,382 for coach, $4,497 for Business.

How about a $2,700 screwing to build unity!

Yep, Accepted Fare for JL69 LAX-KIX $4,227...
Actual Fare on JL69 $7,845

Not deviating but they're slow buying the ticket, I think that are waiting for Business to sell out then ticket in coach with "waitlist" for Business... Poor business. Accepted fare won't buy decent ticket on anybody but the Koreans...

I think it is ridiculous that Accepted Fares do not match Route Pricing on Global Travels own website. We all understand reserve assignment or last minute price gouging but several weeks away they should match. We just had a crew member go "scheduled" from CGN-MEM on a bank of $3000 but ticket was $11,500 one way business. He was very wise to not deviate once he saw what the company paid.

Don't forget the over 16 hour flts. UAL from LAX to PVG 16:15 Business Class only at $2400. AA has FC for $5800. China Eastern has a brand new 777 with huge FC suites for 11,500....SOLD! :)

I really hope that people are careful not to deviate early, and go as scheduled if the actual fare cost is much higher. Especially with the weather how it's been lately, it takes a lot of stress out of the equation to go as scheduled, especially internationally. Even though it can be a pain going from Memphis. But I've seen flights where they've scheduled people to deadhead out on the last flight of the night, with an hour turn in EWR to go international. Getting you there at the last possible minute. I'm assuming that they just think people will deviate, so why schedule a deadhead with any backups at all?

I know lots of commuters like to deviate.

I won't, especially international.

Too many things can go wrong.

I've called CRS before with a flight cancellation, and I've been told, "how are you going to get there?".

My response is always, "I am going to wait here next to my phone until you figure it out, revise my pairing, and book the ticket. Call me back when you have a new plan for me."

Let them figure it out. It's not our job.

+1000!

That's exactly the right response. Courteous and professional. I don't expect Scheduling to advise me on how much fuel I need on a particular flight, and I wouldn't dream of telling them how to get me from A to B for my first live leg (provided, of course, they do provide me with the Class of Service the deadhead is entitled to). I obviously do not have the Big Picture, so I let them do their job and I'll do mine.

That's why my personal policy is to not deviate on the front end of any international pairing. I will only deviate mid-trip if it's a darn near sure thing, like taking the train between NRT and OSA or a company jumpseat between CDG and MLN instead of the more tiresome and inconvenient scheduled deadheads. Even back end deviations can backfire on you. Be careful out there...

Several thoughts ...

- Surely the Negotiating Committee is aware of this problem and working on a mutual solution with Management? Please?

- Since we have "No Special Skills" we're probably not qualified to address this problem ourselves, I'm surprised we can get airplanes from Point A to Point B!*? It's a good thing that transportation from the hotel to the airport is prearranged. Would we be able to get there ourselves? How do we get from home to the airport to check in for our trips? Should we negotiate for a limo from home to the airport like celebrities do?


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It's my understanding that the deviation and accepted fares issues have pretty much been resolved, and only await the signing of the new contract to go into effect.

Even more reason to get behind the Negotiating Committee and let them do their work. They do indeed speak for me. And it's WAY past time.

Has anybody had any recent success increasing the accepted fare to the actual company ticket cost?

In my case I'm deviating backend.

As far as ALPA and the company were concerned they were resolved in 2006 when the company unilaterally changed past practice. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

The current NC has an improvement on this process, don't know what it entails and won't until company decides to pony up some $$ and we get to see thebwhole TA

NOTHING is "resolved" until the final document comes out. The company has done this before - agreed to something only to take it back later! I won't believe it until I see it in writing!

I won't even believe it when I read it.

If we are still waiting for it then it's not resolved. That might give you points in horseshoes but no where else.

BTW, what new contract? It's not done. Not even close.


You sound like a side girlfriend waiting on the "Divorce".

Front end d/h to SEA next week....first class from MEM...bank is $439 on UA...actual ticket issued yesterday by Global Travel was $1277. I know, the numbers aren't as big as an international d/h....but still, nearly 3 times the bank!

Complain via Ops Report and the response will be crickets.

Next week they'll say, "What accepted fare problem? You got there, right?"

Everyone *****es, but no stands their ground. Until Everyone stops deviating and calls FDXs bluff, business will continue as normal. It'll take the fortitude that no one here seems to have.

Easy to say if you live in Mem. Not so easy if you bid DH's and commute. Guys have been saying to fly the DH's as scheduled for years and it never happens.

Is that what you do?

Bottom line is this is a problem for commuters, and commuters are the ones that will have to sacrifice to fix it.

It's not only a problem for commuters, but I will agree that it effects them disproportionately. It will also require a disproportionate sacrifice to fly the scheduled deadheads.

By the same token, it's easy to pass up a MEM-XYZ-MEM draft trip if you're a commuter, and a bigger temptation if it's 8 hours away from home for quick cash.

So, why don't we all just do our own part and not try to compare my hardship with yours, or yours with someone else's? Do the right thing, encourage your brother to do the right thing, and compliment your brother when he does the right thing. Complaining that it's harder for me to do the right thing than someone else just isn't helpful to anyone. Everyone has a cross to bear.






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I completely agree. I will also say that I hope that in negotiations that it is fixed. I personally gain in seniority artificially by having pilots commute. It makes it easier to hold the type of trips that I prefer to fly as a non-commuter. But as far as the pilot force actively affecting the company's actions of cheating with the accepted fares, I already fly the scheduled dh, and when they publish a ticket for $200, and then have to buy a $800 ticket to get me there I am already doing all that I can to affect the problem.

Yes. I get it. I commuted up until last summer. It sucks and deviating makes it a little less painful. However, short sightedness will get us nowhere. I moved to make my life easier, but I don't deviate on the back end either. I could easily be home 12-24 hours earlier, but I am trying to do my small part to help. There is no unity at FDX. Regardless of what anyone says, the union here is a mess. Just look around AOC on any given night. Are we a unified force or a bunch of individuals... Uniforms speak loudly...

We all have examples of deadhead tickets that Global travel had to buy well above the accepted fare but I wonder what the percentage is of total tickets purchased monthly? If the company can truly buy the majority of the tickets at the accepted fare that would be smart business. But if a large percentage of the tickets purchased are above the accepted fare we shouldn't be held to the accepted fare when the company can't purchase a ticket at that price.

Anyone who has been here since FOX/FOCUS came on board and we moved from paper expense reports to electronic knows that we were able to adjust our bank to the higher amount if Corporate/Global travel had to buy the ticket at a higher price. Then, without any negotiation, previous practice was thrown out leaving us to negotiate to get back what we had for years.

I used to keep a spreadsheet on accepted vs. actual, and I'd send the union a copy, and screenshots of my pairing, and the invoice of what global travel actually paid.

It would help if they had an automated way to harvest the data for negotiations.

If I steal from the company I get fired. If the company steals from me it's ok.

If they steal from you profit goes up!

I have a pairing next month with a deadhead from ANC to MEM on Delta through MSP. The bids just came out Friday. I called Global Travel to check a fare from ANC to MSN through MSP on Delta. Accepted fare around $1050 and quote was over $1400. I asked how much the scheduled ticket was to MEM and it was also over $1400, $400 above accepted fare.

Anyone remember the deviation proposal from the company the last time we negotiated a contract? They wanted to make deviation fares 75% of the "accepted fare"! Now do the math in the example above and where are we at?
The company will get what they want - one way or another!!

I just hope someone at the MEC got a nice payoff for screwing us and retired so they cant do it again.

Is that really in their best interest?
 

How does that help them? It's already difficult enough to deviate. By making deviation fares 75% of the accepted fares would undoubtedly force almost everyone to fly the scheduled deadhead. With the number of passenger seats decreasing out of Memphis, if we all actually showed for the scheduled deadhead I would think that would pose big problems for scheduling..........I don't know this for a fact, but it seems reasonable.

I would also think it would be interesting to know how much commuters/deviators save the company. I know for me personally, I save them thousands/year by deviating.

So you save them thousands /year off the already reduced by 25% banks and you wonder how it helps them? We deviate because getting to Memphis sucks and we will do most anything to avoid it.

I think what's been TA'd has fixed some of the accepted fares and dev bank issues; but we won't know for sure until we get to read the details.

Easy there trigger. My point was if they reduce deviation banks further, then I would have no choice but to take the scheduled DH and I believe if everyone were to take the scheduled deadheads it would create big problems for them because of the reduced number of flights out of MEM. I don't know that for a fact, just an observation.

I deviate because it's convenient for me and allows me one or two extra days at home........not because "getting to Memphis sucks." By doing this, my net bank is usually close to $1000/month; a give back to the company. Maxkts stated that, "They wanted to make deviation fares 75% of the "accepted fare"!" If they did that, then I would have no choice but to take the scheduled deadhead. Lately, it seems as though the actual cost of a deadhead ticket is much more than the accepted fare........thereby costing FEDEX more $$$$. Sorry, I guess I'm not making myself clear, but then again my kids tell me that all of the time.

Thanks Roy, yes getting to Mempho costs an extra day or two commute, hence it sucks. Catch my drift pardner?

In this March bid pack.
SFO-ICN
Accepted Fare $1391
Actual Ticketed Fare $3673

Yes both Business Class.
And Yes I deviated within my Accepted fare saving the Co. $2500.

I guess you're hoping for a BZ?

I see a $750 accepted fare screwing on my NRT - SEA I just traded into..... no way I'm taking a hit to the wallet for them, I'll just head to the JetLag club and B1tch about it how delayed our contract is:mad:

"We'll have to PASS it to find out what's in it!"

Why bother to read it before we vote on it? Can Management impose the agreed upon improvements by "Executive Order"?

How long will it take until we have a signed CBA with the improvements in place?


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