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#2
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You get it back in your OTP bank. The date you must use it by doesn't change. Going off of memory here because I don't feel like looking it up, but I believe it's the second month after you get it. Take a look at your crew information screen and it will tell you what month it expires.
People thought recycling OTP might have been a technique used by the Wolfpack to get charters. The thought was that one could pick up a charter using OTP/PMU, wait until 4 AM, drop the trip into open time, then immediately pick it back up at general makeup. Nothing in the CBA prevents that, but if that was a technique it would have been nice to fix that in the TA. There was also some thought there was a bug in the system that someone had discovered that would allow one to not only recycle OTP, but to keep extending the "use by" date.
I don't think anyone has a problem with someone not wanting a trip picked up with PMU, dropping it, then using the PMU on another trip later. Remember when you elected OTP, you retained the pay and you will see a deduct for that pay the second month, so don't be surprised by that.
People thought recycling OTP might have been a technique used by the Wolfpack to get charters. The thought was that one could pick up a charter using OTP/PMU, wait until 4 AM, drop the trip into open time, then immediately pick it back up at general makeup. Nothing in the CBA prevents that, but if that was a technique it would have been nice to fix that in the TA. There was also some thought there was a bug in the system that someone had discovered that would allow one to not only recycle OTP, but to keep extending the "use by" date.
I don't think anyone has a problem with someone not wanting a trip picked up with PMU, dropping it, then using the PMU on another trip later. Remember when you elected OTP, you retained the pay and you will see a deduct for that pay the second month, so don't be surprised by that.
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One note of caution. I picked up a PMU trip after declining sub, and was then put into sub for the PMU trip I picked up. I declined sub again thinking my PMU credits would be returned. It wasn't. In fact, I lost credit for everything including the hours for the original trip. And yeah...it's in the contract that way. About as clearly as all the other sub language.
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One note of caution. I picked up a PMU trip after declining sub, and was then put into sub for the PMU trip I picked up. I declined sub again thinking my PMU credits would be returned. It wasn't. In fact, I lost credit for everything including the hours for the original trip. And yeah...it's in the contract that way. About as clearly as all the other sub language.
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One note of caution. I picked up a PMU trip after declining sub, and was then put into sub for the PMU trip I picked up. I declined sub again thinking my PMU credits would be returned. It wasn't. In fact, I lost credit for everything including the hours for the original trip. And yeah...it's in the contract that way. About as clearly as all the other sub language.
§25.H.11.b.
If a pilot becomes eligible for substitution on an PMU trip, and rejects SUB, he shall not earn any credit hours for that trip, and shall revert to his original OTP status.
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#7
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As was explained to me in several calls to scheduling, my CH hours from the original trip gave me OTP eligibility worth the hours for that trip (6 CH in my case). When I used those hours to pick up a trip (8 CH) and subsequently declined sub for that trip, I lost the 6 CH and "returned to OTP status" for the remaining credit hours of my original trip which was zero. If the trip hours had been reversed, (8 original and 6 PMU) I would have returned to OTP status with 2 CHs remaining. Believe me, I pressed hard on this one. I lost.
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