Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1970845)
We have the heavier burden in this lop-sided process, but we have tools at our disposal and must use them wisely. Individuals are still free to make their own choices.
. Look at October vacations and open time. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1971420)
Still bragging about your furloughs?
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Nope never caved. I prefer our model, where everyone gives some instead of putting people on the street. You prefer to sacrifice your young. Hey morality is flexible, tell yourself whatever you need to to feel superior.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1971608)
Nope never caved. I prefer our model, where everyone gives some instead of putting people on the street. You prefer to sacrifice your young. Hey morality is flexible, tell yourself whatever you need to to feel superior.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1971608)
Nope never caved. I prefer our model, where everyone gives some instead of putting people on the street. You prefer to sacrifice your young. Hey morality is flexible, tell yourself whatever you need to to feel superior.
We didn't sacrifice anyone. It is UPS who decided to furlough. We, as a pilot group, came up with more $ savings to the company, than the company saved in actually furloughing. IT WAS ALL ABOUT CONTROL BY UPS! They wanted to show the inmates who is running the asylum. When they did furlough, who paid the COBRA for the furloughees? Their IPA brothers. I was once ALPA, thrice furloughed. You want to know what was the most support I ever got? A 1-yr subscription to Kit Darby's pocket. Nor did I ever expect anything - I knew that was a risk of this profession. Why did we do it? BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! Who had a 98% + success rate in complying with no open time pick up? The IPA. Who raised close to $75,000 VOLUNTARILY for Christmas gifts for their furloughed brothers and sisters the first year alone! The IPA! So, please don't say that WE sacrificed our young. We did everything to prevent UPS from having to do it, they pulled the trigger anyway, so we watched out for our guys. |
Originally Posted by 1800 RVR
(Post 1971676)
Before you go all indignant on UPS pilots, there is something that I wanted to add in this discussion:
We didn't sacrifice anyone. It is UPS who decided to furlough. We, as a pilot group, came up with more $ savings to the company, than the company saved in actually furloughing. IT WAS ALL ABOUT CONTROL BY UPS! They wanted to show the inmates who is running the asylum. When they did furlough, who paid the COBRA for the furloughees? Their IPA brothers. I was once ALPA, thrice furloughed. You want to know what was the most support I ever got? A 1-yr subscription to Kit Darby's pocket. Nor did I ever expect anything - I knew that was a risk of this profession. Why did we do it? BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! Who had a 98% + success rate in complying with no open time pick up? The IPA. Who raised close to $75,000 VOLUNTARILY for Christmas gifts for their furloughed brothers and sisters the first year alone! The IPA! So, please don't say that WE sacrificed our young. We did everything to prevent UPS from having to do it, they pulled the trigger anyway, so we watched out for our guys. |
Dude or dudette, you started it. The fact is you know nothing about 4A2B but you pretend you do. We have not a had a furlough at FDX because of 4A2B. 4A2b does not cut our payrates it lowers the minimum guarantee. So instead of putting people on the street everyone gets more time off. It does not even guarantee no furlough, obviously like your language, but it does guarantee everyone takes a hit. Hell UPS hired non union pilots while guys were on the street.
Now you guys continuously claim that the first step in your negotiations is pay rates and I simply wanted to know what was on the table before your strike vote. But I guess it is a Secret until after we vote on ours and then miraculously it will be ours plus 25% but you had to settle for our plus a nickle because ALPA screwed you. |
Originally Posted by 1800 RVR
(Post 1971676)
Before you go all indignant on UPS pilots, there is something that I wanted to add in this discussion:
We didn't sacrifice anyone. It is UPS who decided to furlough. We, as a pilot group, came up with more $ savings to the company, than the company saved in actually furloughing. IT WAS ALL ABOUT CONTROL BY UPS! They wanted to show the inmates who is running the asylum. When they did furlough, who paid the COBRA for the furloughees? Their IPA brothers. I was once ALPA, thrice furloughed. You want to know what was the most support I ever got? A 1-yr subscription to Kit Darby's pocket. Nor did I ever expect anything - I knew that was a risk of this profession. Why did we do it? BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! Who had a 98% + success rate in complying with no open time pick up? The IPA. Who raised close to $75,000 VOLUNTARILY for Christmas gifts for their furloughed brothers and sisters the first year alone! The IPA! So, please don't say that WE sacrificed our young. We did everything to prevent UPS from having to do it, they pulled the trigger anyway, so we watched out for our guys. Dont look at me I'm not indignant. You like your furlough protection I like ours. It is your buddy brownie who has a problem with ours. Now reread this thread, the series of insults started with a slam from one of yours about how FDX MEC screwed you. I didnt slam anyone back I just wanted to know what your next rates were before I voted. It was brownie who wanted a fight and I obliged. Brownie even picked the turf, furlough protection. If you have a problem with idignation start with brownie. |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1970845)
The above highlighted statement is instructive, and something we should always bear in mind. It reflects the core attitude of the employer in RLA negotiations. It's the uphill battle we all have to fight. To Management, strike is never a threat.
. TonyC ... I basically agree with you, especially now that we carry so much Mail it's unlikely that we would ever be "released" to strike but ... It might not take very much ALPA posturing to get FedEx customers to take their business elsewhere. THAT might get Managements attention! :confused: |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1971420)
Still bragging about your furloughs?
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1970825)
What has UPS agreed to pay you now so I'll know whether to vote yes or no, don't want to screw you again.
It is very hard to strike when you have just had your legs amputated. More like impossible. The problem is not the hourly pay rates so much as FDX refused to work with the IPA despite repeated attempts by the IPA to do exactly that....work together. And FDX ALPA refused. I have my intuition as to why FDX ALPA refused to work with the IPA but won't say. The result set everyone back a decade in payscales. |
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