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Old 12-18-2015 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BizPilot
Seems like a lot of pilots here are negative about Amazon having their own overnight freighter operation.

Mom would say, "If you are not part of the steam-roller then you are part of the pavement."
Walmart has a bad name because they put mom and pop stores out of business.

For Amazon, they're killing major brick and mortar retailers of all types. They're also getting into food/groceries. Their goal is to handle nearly any SKU.

The question that must be asked, are we willing to watch Amazon take down so many sectors of the US economy while they in turn are hellbent on growing aggressively showing very little profit, thus paying very low taxes?

There's a lot of issues going on here and you don't have to be in the freight business to be a bit worried about Amazon.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Section Eight
Who wants to take bets on when the furlough notices start to appear at UPS?

Never mind, nothing to see here,

carry on......
Furlough the whiners. Tired of listening to them complain. Go to Amazon and you'll have something new to complain about, but you won't have union protection.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Czech Airman
Furlough the whiners. Tired of listening to them complain. Go to Amazon and you'll have something new to complain about, but you won't have union protection.
foregive me, but the collective group would VOTE on it. Mr Bozoes sorry, Bezo's would not dicktate it, sorry my bad, dictate it.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler
foregive me, but the collective group would VOTE on it. Mr Bozoes sorry, Bezo's would not dicktate it, sorry my bad, dictate it.
A threat to major cargo now, no! But you don't think he can get 100, 121 qualified dudes? He's already proven he doesn't care about throwing money away

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Old 12-19-2015 | 12:17 AM
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This appears to be a short term boom for ATSG using 767 aircraft but long term venture of obtaining their own operating certificate as referenced in this article from 2017 onwards.

Amazon May Lease 20 Boeing 767 Planes For Delivery - Investors.com
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Old 12-19-2015 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Walmart has a bad name because they put mom and pop stores out of business.

For Amazon, they're killing major brick and mortar retailers of all types. They're also getting into food/groceries. Their goal is to handle nearly any SKU.

The question that must be asked, are we willing to watch Amazon take down so many sectors of the US economy while they in turn are hellbent on growing aggressively showing very little profit, thus paying very low taxes?

There's a lot of issues going on here and you don't have to be in the freight business to be a bit worried about Amazon.
Pretty funny hearing a FDX pilot decry the death of Mom & Pop businesses wrought by all those evil Amazon boxes.

Mom & Pop businesses only existed and thrived in the US in the post-war era because they've been structurally/informationally protected from competition by geography, logistics, and price transparency.

Those barriers to competition have been broken by the internet and by the development of highly-efficient/fast parcel delivery networks (key players being UPS & FDX).

FDX & UPS represent the rapid shipping backbone enabling sellers from all over the planet (including Amazon) to compete with those darling Mom & Pop/Bricks & Mortar businesses on a cynical, cut-throat, price-only basis...your employer helped to destroy all of those little no-competition zones within which Mom & Pop businesses thrived for decades/centuries before.

Don't get me wrong--I'm one of those guys who still loves buying my shoes/clothes in person at a shop. I hate waiting for something to arrive even if it takes 2 days via Amazon Prime. I have my shoe guy, my car guy, my pest control guy, my local barber, etc.--I love the Mom & Pop shops in my hometown...just saying Amazon isn't any more or less responsible for the death of Mom & Pop retail than FedEx or UPS or the company who made the computer any of us are using to shop for xmas gifts this weekend.
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Old 12-19-2015 | 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
wat?

ABX and Astar weren't hauling packages with DHL labels?
Yes DHL LABELS, but on boxes of CUTOMERS who had a choice of shippers and which DHL had a habit of driving away!

With an Amazon system, it truly is THEIR freight, they would be both the shipper AND the customer, with no choice of selecting another shipper.

One research firm recently estimated such a venture could go well beyond simply saving Amazon shipping costs, but could become a $5B PROFIT stream.
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Old 12-19-2015 | 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by longhauler
foregive me, but the collective group would VOTE on it. Mr Bozoes sorry, Bezo's would not dicktate it, sorry my bad, dictate it.
Amazon isn't going inhouse. It's going to use contractors and probably multiple contractors. It's going to be like DHL on steroids in the US with various contractors battling for a piece of the Amazon action and Bezos playing contractors against another for the lowest cost.
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Old 12-19-2015 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Czech Airman
Amazon isn't going inhouse. It's going to use contractors and probably multiple contractors. It's going to be like DHL on steroids in the US with various contractors battling for a piece of the Amazon action and Bezos playing contractors against another for the lowest cost.
Maybe but UPS was eventually forced to create their own airline. The author of this article quotes the Seattle Times as they will pursue their own AOC in 2017.
Amazon May Lease 20 Boeing 767 Planes For Delivery - Investors.com
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Old 12-19-2015 | 08:08 AM
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Amazon wants to do it all. A difficult business model when the company has almost no margins.
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