It's people like you who shot ourselves in the foot. We had leverage, lots of leverage. I ran into a CRS fella at a bar this week. He was telling us how bad it was getting. He told me as soon as the TA came out, suddenly everything changed and everyone started flying extra again.

CRS was calling me in the morning and evening, maybe during the afternoon as well, for draft trips. Every day! Since the TA was passed, I've not received a single call.

We had leverage, the MEC ****ed it away when they sent this substandard TA, along with all kinds of problems that it doesn't fix, to the pilots.

And FedEx announces the TNT announcement just moments after the TA is passed. Coincidence?

We had leverage ... had ...

Once again, played masterfully by the Corporation!!

I guess we'll never know. I see you're part of the problem.

Ah, yes. Abuse. Rock out, dude.

The lovely thing about being on the losing side - any area of abuse by the company and you can jump out and point and say "A -HA! We told you!"

This was business. It was a bargained-for exchange. For the majority of us, the plusses outweighed the minuses. For you, it didn't. That's life in the big city. I don't think that's anybody shooting anybody in the foot or anywhere else.

So.. is APC just going to be an echo chamber for the Twelve Angry Men? Are other people even invited? This site went that way in 2006-2007, over the FDA LOA vote. If that's what you want, go with God.....

You dont realize that you, and all of us, are on the losing side. The difference is that you agreed with it. JMO.

Don't forget r-24 .. Standard ops now on day 1 to get 4 days hotel standby, just because they can. Never the intent but wording allows it so its done. Hopefully we create a Union group that works the wording in a positive direction instead of only saying "yeah they can do that"

Over simplistic, inaccurate assessment. I'm sure you weighed your pluses and minuses, and having just upgraded to your first wide-body left seat and having moved your family to Hong Kong, it made sense to you. Pluses versus minuses. And if you happen to retire and live a long life of retirement enjoying your "A" Plan monthly check, I doubt you'll thank the people who stuck up for it.

Far more pilots fell prey to "This is the best we'll be able to get" or "The MEC said it was OK." Today I was astounded by one particular Block Rep's unfamiliarity with certain important aspects of our new CBA. If there was an examination of pluses and minuses there, the equation was missing some very important parts.

Yeah, you're going to encounter opinions here, maybe even some which are contrary to yours. If you remember the story line of 12 Angry Men, you'll remember that by the end of the day, 11 had changed their minds.


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The great unknown will always be.... would we have done better or worse by continuing negotiations. I noticed that Delta is just now getting around to polling their pilot group about what they would like to focus on when their negotiations resume. They voted down their TA on 10 July. That was about five months ago. No word on when their negotiations will actually resume. Nothing on the books yet. Would we have moved the ball forward any faster? I doubt it. So flash forward 5 months. It's 20 March 2016. Peak has come and gone. The company is hiring at a steady pace. And we are working under our 2011 CBA hoping we will still be short in all seats approaching the 2016 Peak because for all our talk about "leverage" we really don't have any other than "flying the contract". In that environment, are we "winning" or "losing"?
I might have missed it, but has CD addressed the pilot group since the TA passed? A little leadership from the MEC probably wouldn't hurt at this point.

"And if you happen to retire and live a long life of retirement enjoying your "A" Plan monthly check, I doubt you'll thank the people who stuck up for it."

Don't you worry about who I thank. My family's been in ALPA 48 years. I've given my view- I think the A plan is too much of a gamble to worry about. I want to work, and get money. Let me handle the rest.

I can deal with opposing views. I can't deal with sanctimonious victim hood. I spent too many time at other places.

So- Tony you guys have fun. I'm going the way of Danger kitty. .....

And they haven't even reached their amendable date yet.






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