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Almost There 02-24-2016 08:23 AM
Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2074410)
Amazon already started an airline. They just added more aircraft. Will it keep getting bigger, or will it stop...that is the question.
Started an Airline?? They have used ACMI carriers to transport Amazon Products, but I don't think you can consider this as starting an Airline.

MX727 02-26-2016 01:47 PM
I guess I started an airline. Hired them to fly me from MEM to DFW. I'm really proud of the American flag on the tail. :rolleyes:

atpcliff 03-09-2016 07:43 AM
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727574drvr 03-09-2016 10:02 AM
Hmmm..... Amazon confirms plans to build an air cargo network in Wilmington - Story

Almost There 03-09-2016 10:24 AM
"After months of speculation, Amazon confirmed it is leasing 20 planes and contracting with Air Transport Services Group Inc. to operate the cargo network."

This is great news for the 2 Airlines (ABX AIR & ATI) who will be doing the flights for Amazon. Amazon may also purchase up to 20% of ATSG stock.

Whistlin' Dan 03-09-2016 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Almost There (Post 2085445)
"After months of speculation, Amazon confirmed it is leasing 20 planes and contracting with Air Transport Services Group Inc. to operate the cargo network."

This is great news for the 2 Airlines (ABX AIR & ATI) who will be doing the flights for Amazon. Amazon may also purchase up to 20% of ATSG stock.
This is not good news for the air cargo industry, because it moves a significant volume of freight from first-tier carriers to third- and sub-third tier carriers. That won't affect UPS or FedEx's bottom lines by much since it's already heavily-discounted, but it will have a direct impact on the amount of flying done by their pilots. It will also increase the pressure to drive down wages at both of those companies, which, in-turn, may have severe repercussions among the ACMI carriers that will be flying that work.

Under the current administration and for at least the foreseeable future, Amazon has no incentive to bring it's airline ops in-house. None. And being a perma-temp flight crewmember for Amazon isn't going to be the panacea some people seem to think it's going to be, either. Good luck, guys......

Radioactive 03-09-2016 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 2085521)
This is not good news for the air cargo industry, because it moves a significant volume of freight from first-tier carriers to third- and sub-third tier carriers. That won't affect UPS or FedEx's bottom lines by much since it's already heavily-discounted, but it will have a direct impact on the amount of flying done by their pilots. It will also increase the pressure to drive down wages at both of those companies, which, in-turn, may have severe repercussions among the ACMI carriers that will be flying that work.

Under the current administration and for at least the foreseeable future, Amazon has no incentive to bring it's airline ops in-house. None. And being a perma-temp flight crewmember for Amazon isn't going to be the panacea some people seem to think it's going to be, either. Good luck, guys......
Your lack of knowledge of the situation strikes again. UPS and FedEx will be welcoming this news as it will remove high density, low margin volume from their networks and free up space for much higher yielding volume that they had to previously turn away as the contractually guaranteed Amazon volume got priority.

As for wages, this will have no effect on FedEx and UPS but will have a huge impact on ATSG. ABX and ATI will now see themselves as peers of FedEx and UPS and not as a traditional ACMI. Therefore, they will be wanting a new contract that's comparable with FedEx and UPS.

Almost There 03-09-2016 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 2085521)
This is not good news for the air cargo industry, because it moves a significant volume of freight from first-tier carriers to third- and sub-third tier carriers. That won't affect UPS or FedEx's bottom lines by much since it's already heavily-discounted, but it will have a direct impact on the amount of flying done by their pilots. It will also increase the pressure to drive down wages at both of those companies, which, in-turn, may have severe repercussions among the ACMI carriers that will be flying that work.

Under the current administration and for at least the foreseeable future, Amazon has no incentive to bring it's airline ops in-house. None. And being a perma-temp flight crewmember for Amazon isn't going to be the panacea some people seem to think it's going to be, either. Good luck, guys......
ACMI=perma-temp. The FedEx/UPS pilots are not going to get pressured into lower wages because of Amazon sending some of their freight and flying to an ACMI carrier. ACMI crews gotta make groceries too!

Radioactive 03-09-2016 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Almost There (Post 2085608)
ACMI=perma-temp. The FedEx/UPS pilots are not going to get pressured into lower wages because of Amazon sending some of their freight and flying to an ACMI carrier. ACMI crews gotta make groceries too!
Very true. This will put huge pressure on Amazon and ATSG to pony up and pay their pilots like FedEx and UPS.

orka 03-09-2016 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Radioactive (Post 2085611)
Very true. This will put huge pressure on Amazon and ATSG to pony up and pay their pilots like FedEx and UPS.
Yeah, just like DHL contractors get


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