Safety vs. $afety (cargo carve-out)
04-16-2016, 04:28 AM
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Safety vs. $afety (cargo carve-out)
http://fdx.alpa.org/portals/26/image..._c7letter2.png
Completely expected, but disappointed nevertheless to see the Chief Pilots at FedEx, UPS, Atlas, and ABX, signing this letter to congressmen together, to keep the cargo carve-out in place.
Safety vs. $afety.
Completely expected, but disappointed nevertheless to see the Chief Pilots at FedEx, UPS, Atlas, and ABX, signing this letter to congressmen together, to keep the cargo carve-out in place.
Safety vs. $afety.
04-16-2016, 04:50 AM
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[QUOTE=CloudSailor;2110607]http://fdx.alpa.org/portals/26/image..._c7letter2.png
Completely expected, but disappointed nevertheless to see the Chief Pilots at FedEx, UPS, Atlas, and ABX, signing this letter to congressmen together, to keep the cargo carve-out in place
Barbara Boxers office got a letter, which stated ABX chief pilot held a disciplinary meeting for a crewmember who called in fatigued.
Completely expected, but disappointed nevertheless to see the Chief Pilots at FedEx, UPS, Atlas, and ABX, signing this letter to congressmen together, to keep the cargo carve-out in place
Barbara Boxers office got a letter, which stated ABX chief pilot held a disciplinary meeting for a crewmember who called in fatigued.
04-16-2016, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by motorclutch
Barbara Boxer was informed that one of our pilots had a disciplinary meeting for calling in fatigued.
At the risk of being mistaken for someone else, which company?
FDX?
UPS?
Whichever company, the union should be passing this information along to all the pilots of said company, and ALPA national or the Teamsters should be pounding on the FAA's door, just to make sure they are aware of what is going on.
04-17-2016, 09:56 AM
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The most troubling part of this letter is the intended assumption that it is the voice of the line pilots. What other reason would it have come from the collective Chief Pilots? Managers that will stop at nothing to sabotage safety at their own airlines, unbelievable.
04-20-2016, 08:31 AM
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I would challenge anyone making these rules to go fly a two week trip with UPS and see if they feel the same way after they get home!
Think your flying this? Nope! Crew Scheduling here with a change!
Just slept to be ready to go for what time zone again? Guess what! Min. rest and we are going to send you to XYZ!!
Think your flying this? Nope! Crew Scheduling here with a change!
Just slept to be ready to go for what time zone again? Guess what! Min. rest and we are going to send you to XYZ!!
04-20-2016, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
I would challenge anyone making these rules to go fly a two week trip with UPS and see if they feel the same way after they get home!...
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04-20-2016, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
That's exactly why the disappointment with our pilot 'leaders'. Those pilots signing that letter are guys who have flown alongside us on the line, and have directly dealt with fatigue at some point and the regulations that allow it to be more prevalent. Moreover, to sign a letter like that - which takes the liberty of speaking for the entire pilot group(s) (as birdstrike pointed out), without openly and directly letting said pilot group(s) know of the existence of the letter, seems unethical to me. Had we received the news of this letter being signed DIRECTLY from our Chief Pilot(s), we would be free to disagree on the content of the letter, but not its intent.
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04-20-2016, 03:48 PM
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The letter, as disturbing as it is, says something that needs some clarification. One sentence states:
We are proud to work for airlines that have gone above and beyond the requirements of existing cargo regulations and that are at the forefront of fatigue risk management research.
One can almost read this statement as:
We are proud to work for airlines that are at the forefront of fatigue risk management research.
It kind of implies that these companies have actually researched or are currently researching fatigue on their own. Does anyone know if any of these companies have either conducted their own independent research on fatigue or sponsored or funded research on fatigue in any way? It's an important question that needs to be answered for various reasons, the most important reason being liability.
If they haven't researched fatigue and how it relates to human factors in flight operations, I'd like to know why not.
We are proud to work for airlines that have gone above and beyond the requirements of existing cargo regulations and that are at the forefront of fatigue risk management research.
One can almost read this statement as:
We are proud to work for airlines that are at the forefront of fatigue risk management research.
It kind of implies that these companies have actually researched or are currently researching fatigue on their own. Does anyone know if any of these companies have either conducted their own independent research on fatigue or sponsored or funded research on fatigue in any way? It's an important question that needs to be answered for various reasons, the most important reason being liability.
If they haven't researched fatigue and how it relates to human factors in flight operations, I'd like to know why not.
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