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02-25-2007, 06:01 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
What you seem to be missing is that these individuals bid out of ANC on a following bid and had not started training for ANC yet. They were then trained for ANC and did a touch and go there and then came to MEM ahead of all those that bid MEM on the same bid they did. Their ANC bid should have been canx and then trained in seniority order for MEM.
As far as gaming the system goes, we shouldn't have to game the system, especially when it comes to seniority. We are always told to bid what and where you want to fly.
If you don't have all of the info, maybe you shouldn't talk about the contract being clear in the area under dicussion, because it is clear to those of us who were affected.
As far as gaming the system goes, we shouldn't have to game the system, especially when it comes to seniority. We are always told to bid what and where you want to fly.
If you don't have all of the info, maybe you shouldn't talk about the contract being clear in the area under dicussion, because it is clear to those of us who were affected.
I know it sounds condescending and I don't mean it to. I've only been here about 5 years, so I am a newbie too. The tone of the complaints is very off-putting and that is why you guys are not getting the support that you deserve. Yeah I spent my first two years on the panel on reserve and couldn't even sniff the right seat of the Boeing for 3 years, so I have difficulty seeing how the guys here a year or so feel slighted because a couple of guys got a better deal than them.
I know a lot of guys in Flight Test tried to volunteer to go fetch those 75s like they do every other new (to us) aircraft and none of them were selected to do so. Two wrongs don't make a right, and the union officials should have been more responsive, respectful and representative to your guys' concerns, that is for sure. I still don't see the huge injustice that many seem to feel though, because I am not all about the money I guess.
Anyway, I have dug myself a hole I had no intention of digging, I wish you all the best and I hope you all get your widebody training soon. I also hope the union officials see the need for a wakeup call before they really do damage to the unity we displayed over the past 2.5 years.
02-25-2007, 07:48 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
What you seem to be missing is that these individuals bid out of ANC on a following bid and had not started training for ANC yet. They were then trained for ANC and did a touch and go there and then came to MEM ahead of all those that bid MEM on the same bid they did. Their ANC bid should have been canx and then trained in seniority order for MEM.
As far as gaming the system goes, we shouldn't have to game the system, especially when it comes to seniority. We are always told to bid what and where you want to fly.
If you don't have all of the info, maybe you shouldn't talk about the contract being clear in the area under dicussion, because it is clear to those of us who were affected.
As far as gaming the system goes, we shouldn't have to game the system, especially when it comes to seniority. We are always told to bid what and where you want to fly.
If you don't have all of the info, maybe you shouldn't talk about the contract being clear in the area under dicussion, because it is clear to those of us who were affected.
It's late but let me take a shot at this. X bids ANC 11 fo on bid 1. Is assigned a training date prior to y who bid MEM 11 FO. On bid 2, X bids back to MEM and is activated prior to Y which bid it on bid 1. I think that's it.
It doesn't matter what x did on the second bid. If he stayed in ANC or not. The reason being is that that training slot will be filled by an ANC FO. Person Y would have never seen that training slot anyway.
Just the way it has been for awhile here..... As far a gaming the system, the company doesn't even know what their doing in 18 months. Long range planning here is next week.
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02-25-2007, 08:06 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
What you seem to be missing is that these individuals bid out of ANC on a following bid and had not started training for ANC yet. They were then trained for ANC and did a touch and go there and then came to MEM ahead of all those that bid MEM on the same bid they did. Their ANC bid should have been canx and then trained in seniority order for MEM.
02-25-2007, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot
It's never worked that way. The same scenario occured after the postal bid, but the ANC guys from the pre-Postal bid still went to their original training (after postal bid,) activated in ANC, and then transfered to MEM. In this case, however, there were no Purple nuggets to help them get out of ANC and some of those guys didn't get back to MEM until months after guys of their seniority who got MEM on the 2nd bid had activated. Did they think they got a bad deal? Yes! Was it legal by the CBA? Yes? Is life always fair? No! Get over it.
Very good info. The history preceding current events is enlightening.
I certainly have no disappointment considering it is such a good deal to hop into a widebody in one or two years here.
But I do hope the FDX Alpa website gets some good articles explaining historical precedent and how it relates to bidding and the contract so others won't get surprised again. It would save the membership and ALPA reps some wasted brain cells.
02-26-2007, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot
It's never worked that way. The same scenario occured after the postal bid, but the ANC guys from the pre-Postal bid still went to their original training (after postal bid,) activated in ANC, and then transfered to MEM. In this case, however, there were no Purple nuggets to help them get out of ANC and some of those guys didn't get back to MEM until months after guys of their seniority who got MEM on the 2nd bid had activated. Did they think they got a bad deal? Yes! Was it legal by the CBA? Yes? Is life always fair? No! Get over it.
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02-26-2007, 04:09 AM
#106
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Wrong, Wrong, Wrong (as usual)
Originally Posted by SNAFU
I know a lot of guys in Flight Test tried to volunteer to go fetch those 75s like they do every other new (to us) aircraft and none of them were selected to do so.
Last edited by Coffee Bitch; 02-26-2007 at 08:49 AM.
02-26-2007, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Before you say get over it again, Don't.
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