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TiredSoul 09-25-2019 04:16 PM

Former Eastern bird?

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By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Sep 24th 2019 20:43Z, last updated Tuesday, Sep 24th 2019 20:43Z
A Swift Air Boeing 737-800 on behalf of Smartwings, registration N277EA performing flight QS-1147 from Rhodes (Greece) to Prague (Czech Republic) with 166 passengers and 6 crew, was on approach to Prague when the crew reported a flaps failure requiring them to land flaps up. The aircraft landed on runway 24 at a higher than normal speed (about 200 knots over ground), rolled out safely and turned off the runway via the high speed turn off about 2970 meters/9750 feet down the runway and stopped clear of the runway. Emergency services monitored and cooled the brakes using pressure ventilators.

The airport reported the crew reported a flap failure, the aircraft landed flaps up. Emergency services intervened and used overpressure ventilators to cool the brakes while thermally monitoring the brakes.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4cd37ecc&opt=0

mexipilot84 09-26-2019 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2893369)



Least it was into PRG, nice long runway.

ilsbird 09-29-2019 11:36 AM

I have been with this company for over a year now and ill try to be as clear as possible and give everyone my 2 cents. This is not the best company but on the same side its not the worst. I have been through various regionals and life is still better than the regional, especially if your home based. You just cant beat that. Yes there are things to improve on and alot can be better, but on the same side, its aviation, nothing is valid until it physically actually happens. Rumours float in every company. For someone who is young, i think this is a great place to come here , get some heavy jet time on the 737, quick upgrade if you qualify and the door is open to the world. For someone with age not in side, its not bad if you have home base or live in Miami or Phoenix area. I myself am here to get my experience and await for the next big thing. In the end, no airline is perfect, Swift is not perfect and nor it will be perfect, just like any other company. You just have to get what you want to get out of any other place or company and move on to greener pastures.

Riverside 09-29-2019 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ilsbird (Post 2895367)
, get some heavy jet time on the 737

Heavy jet lol. You're cute.

mexipilot84 09-29-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2895373)
Heavy jet lol. You're cute.



Light Boeing twin.

Varsity 09-29-2019 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mexipilot84 (Post 2895377)
Light Boeing twin.

The 777 is the light twin.

av02 09-29-2019 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ilsbird (Post 2895367)
I have been with this company for over a year now and ill try to be as clear as possible and give everyone my 2 cents. This is not the best company but on the same side its not the worst. I have been through various regionals and life is still better than the regional, especially if your home based. You just cant beat that. Yes there are things to improve on and alot can be better, but on the same side, its aviation, nothing is valid until it physically actually happens. Rumours float in every company. For someone who is young, i think this is a great place to come here , get some heavy jet time on the 737, quick upgrade if you qualify and the door is open to the world. For someone with age not in side, its not bad if you have home base or live in Miami or Phoenix area. I myself am here to get my experience and await for the next big thing. In the end, no airline is perfect, Swift is not perfect and nor it will be perfect, just like any other company. You just have to get what you want to get out of any other place or company and move on to greener pastures.

how much is your paycheck? how many hrs do you fly per month?

Jeff90 09-30-2019 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by av02 (Post 2895520)
how much is your paycheck? how many hrs do you fly per month?

Depends on the need for a crew and, how self motivated you are, and how much you would like to fly

TiredSoul 09-30-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2895728)
Depends how self motivated you are, and how much you would like to fly

....and if you’re self motivated update your apps and leave.

ilsbird 10-01-2019 11:30 AM

Swift air
 
All of u are entitled to your opinion. But I'm just sharing my experience thus far which may help out the aviators who want to come here or stay here. FYI, my paycheck is decent enough and my quality of life is decent without even picking up any open time. But I do pick up open time when I can to get some extra money when I want. And yes I did upgrade to captain here within a year after turning it down two times due to personal reasons and not moving to Miami or Phoenix as I wanted to keep home base. Once again not a career place for me but it's still better than some of the regionals out there still. Good luck to you all.

TiredSoul 10-01-2019 06:00 PM

You asked for career advice in a post back in 2014.
Here’s mine.....pack your stuff and leave before you get a violation or a suspension.
Swift must have served it’s purpose.
A type and some PIC time.

MNPS 50N50W 10-02-2019 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2896721)
You asked for career advice in a post back in 2014.
Here’s mine.....pack your stuff and leave before you get a violation or a suspension.
Swift must have served it’s purpose.
A type and some PIC time.

I am in COMPLETE agreement with this statement.
Recently one of the company's Nice Guys, Favorite Guys, crossed the CP when he refused to take an airplane with the Antiskid inop. At that time he went from Company Hero, to Company ZERO, and was FIERD.
But yet they continue to talk about how safety is such a big priority.
My Highest Cudos for that individual. He was / Still is, a dam good, well qualified, Pilot, Check Airman, Sim Instructor.
I am sure that he was employed somewhere else before the day was done.

TiredSoul 10-02-2019 01:36 PM

During my indoc training the CEO came by and told one truth and one lie.
He said: “ a company like ours is one crash away from bankruptcy and therefore safety is our #1 concern ”

captjns 10-02-2019 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2897166)
During my indoc training the CEO came by and told one truth and one lie.
He said: “ a company like ours is one crash away from bankruptcy and therefore safety is our #1 concern ”

Never knew of any “One Crash Airline”.. oh wait... Miami Air.:rolleyes: Never mind.

Packrat 10-03-2019 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MNPS 50N50W (Post 2897103)
I am in COMPLETE agreement with this statement.
Recently one of the company's Nice Guys, Favorite Guys, crossed the CP when he refused to take an airplane with the Antiskid inop. At that time he went from Company Hero, to Company ZERO, and was FIERD.
But yet they continue to talk about how safety is such a big priority.
My Highest Cudos for that individual. He was / Still is, a dam good, well qualified, Pilot, Check Airman, Sim Instructor.
I am sure that he was employed somewhere else before the day was done.

Spelling, punctuation, grammar. :eek:

Did you're high school English teacher just dip your papers in red ink? American public school education on display. The unintended consequences of the texting generation. :rolleyes:

Jeff90 10-03-2019 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2897441)
Jeff90-as articulate as always I see.

Don’t believe anything anyone says on this forum, just go and see for yourselves.

Maybe take some of your own advice.

TiredSoul 10-03-2019 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2897424)
Never knew of any “One Crash Airline”.. oh wait... Miami Air.:rolleyes: Never mind.

Just wait till another tail scrape turns into a tail strike turns into an accident with a “FLL Dynamic” style evacuation and a couple of pax bouncing off their heads off the pavement.

(Mexican) 737 crash out of Havana? My first thought was Swift and please don’t let it be anybody I know.
(Miami Air) 737 off the runway in Jacksonville? My first thought was Swift and please don’t let it be anybody I know.

We all know anything that happens will be classified as pilot error.
It will take somebody that has worked there or for a similar 36th street operation to understand how the whole system is setup to make the PIC the fall guy.

These operations are a house of cards.

mexipilot84 10-03-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2897570)
Just wait till another tail scrape turns into a tail strike turns into an accident with a “FLL Dynamic” style evacuation and a couple of pax bouncing off their heads off the pavement.



(Mexican) 737 crash out of Havana? My first thought was Swift and please don’t let it be anybody I know.

(Miami Air) 737 off the runway in Jacksonville? My first thought was Swift and please don’t let it be anybody I know.



We all know anything that happens will be classified as pilot error.

It will take somebody that has worked there or for a similar 36th street operation to understand how the whole system is setup to make the PIC the fall guy.



These operations are a house of cards.



Man you guys just always wishing well onto others, Christ almighty. Hope your careers never go facing a dire situation. Calling everyone here to fail basically.

Some of us are working hard to better this place, even when those of you who have had negative experiences bite at our ankles.

Yeah a one crash airline is correct, we’re not delta or American who have had hundreds of incidents/accidents a year and can afford to stay afloat with their billions in insurance, lawyers etc. Doing it right the first time is key and that’s a struggle growing fast and trying to maintain a status quo. We have come a long way from what we were years ago. The mom and pop airline mentality unfortunately still exists in the operation and as it grows it’s unsustainable as you get to 200 pilots and 30 plus acft. FOQA is being implemented to help that and we do have gate keepers calling asking about flights. So they are keeping score.

I have never as CA, FO or LCA been made to do anything outside of safety or regulation. Nor have I ever felt the repercussions from it. 2 people sign the release not just one. Even if you’re the FO you have a say. Walk away and if as you guys claim someone pushes you ASAP it, report it etc. Your leadership doesn’t always know everything, show them in the book. Call out your CA. How many accidents have happened because the FO sits there and lets the CA dig both of their graves.....

dbflyer 10-03-2019 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2897465)
Spelling, punctuation, grammar. :eek:

Did you're high school English teacher just dip your papers in red ink? American public school education on display. The unintended consequences of the texting generation. :rolleyes:

Now that's funny right there........

Hellafo 10-03-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2897441)

All in all, Swift in the past few years has become a legitimate money maker due to its lack of competitive compensation and lack of investment in product. Investors have noticed this and have decided to make Swift operate more reliably using our existing product offering. THE WAY THIS COMPANY OPERATES WILL NOT CHANGE BECAUSE IT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT iAERO’s CAPITAL PLANNING.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT SWIFTs FUTURE WILL BE, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN CENTURION-I mean SkyLease...

This purchase is the eventual fate of all 36th performers. If you can fly consistently and become dependable, a group of shady investors with vague backgrounds will come in and start pumping you full of steroids and protein shakes so you can fly faster and more often. iAero=pump and dump.

Very asserted post.
Read it again, and again, and again.
Lipstick on a swine.

Hellafo 10-03-2019 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2897441)

All in all, Swift in the past few years has become a legitimate money maker due to its lack of competitive compensation and lack of investment in product. Investors have noticed this and have decided to make Swift operate more reliably using our existing product offering. THE WAY THIS COMPANY OPERATES WILL NOT CHANGE BECAUSE IT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT iAERO’s CAPITAL PLANNING.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT SWIFTs FUTURE WILL BE, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN CENTURION-I mean SkyLease...

This purchase is the eventual fate of all 36th performers. If you can fly consistently and become dependable, a group of shady investors with vague backgrounds will come in and start pumping you full of steroids and protein shakes so you can fly faster and more often. iAero=pump and dump.

Very asserted post.
Read it again, and again, and again.
Lipstick on a swine.

Red Forman 10-05-2019 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mexipilot84 (Post 2897675)
Man you guys just always wishing well onto others, Christ almighty. Hope your careers never go facing a dire situation. Calling everyone here to fail basically.

Some of us are working hard to better this place, even when those of you who have had negative experiences bite at our ankles.

Yeah a one crash airline is correct, we’re not delta or American who have had hundreds of incidents/accidents a year and can afford to stay afloat with their billions in insurance, lawyers etc. Doing it right the first time is key and that’s a struggle growing fast and trying to maintain a status quo. We have come a long way from what we were years ago. The mom and pop airline mentality unfortunately still exists in the operation and as it grows it’s unsustainable as you get to 200 pilots and 30 plus acft. FOQA is being implemented to help that and we do have gate keepers calling asking about flights. So they are keeping score.

I have never as CA, FO or LCA been made to do anything outside of safety or regulation. Nor have I ever felt the repercussions from it. 2 people sign the release not just one. Even if you’re the FO you have a say. Walk away and if as you guys claim someone pushes you ASAP it, report it etc. Your leadership doesn’t always know everything, show them in the book. Call out your CA. How many accidents have happened because the FO sits there and lets the CA dig both of their graves.....

Delta and American have hundreds of accidents/incidents every year?

Jeff90 10-05-2019 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 2898637)
Delta and American have hundreds of accidents/incidents every year?

More than what you hear about. Guaranteed

hoover 10-05-2019 02:35 PM

I work for a company that has over 4000 flights a day and we don't have hundreds of incidents let alone accidents a year.

Red Forman 10-06-2019 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2898653)
More than what you hear about. Guaranteed

LOL, ok boss. :rolleyes:

Triggs 10-06-2019 09:09 AM

By the grace of God, the fact that Swift hasn't had more "incidents" is a testament to the crews

Jeff90 10-07-2019 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2899777)

Adios brother, blue skies and tailwinds, wish nothing but the best for your career!

Jeff90 10-08-2019 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2900323)
Oh you think Im leaving this forum? No no no, these topics about Swift have been started and populated with ex employees. The water is just starting to get warm. We have some real heavy hitters watching you and Mexi make excuses and perpetuate the nonsense.

That article was for them.

Still caring after you leave I see, I can promise you let the “heavy hitters” watch me, I have no explaining to do because I’m honest with every single person that walks through the door. But thanks dude 👌

TikkleMe 10-09-2019 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2899931)
Still caring after you leave I see, I can promise you let the “heavy hitters” watch me, I have no explaining to do because I’m honest with every single person that walks through the door. But thanks dude 👌

So are you the chief pilot or not?

Cujo665 10-09-2019 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 2898637)
Delta and American have hundreds of accidents/incidents every year?

Not picking sides, but that is true. They also run around 900 planes each and several thousand flights per day. In the grand scheme I’d say they’re no worse or better. It’s a misleading stat, but is true. There are hundreds of incidents/accidents every year.

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/delta

American and Delta are both in the top 20

Jeff90 10-09-2019 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TikkleMe (Post 2900773)
So are you the chief pilot or not?

Absolutely not

Cujo665 10-09-2019 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hoover (Post 2898884)
I work for a company that has over 4000 flights a day and we don't have hundreds of incidents let alone accidents a year.

Here’s the top 20 airlines......

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airlines

Hellafo 10-10-2019 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2900786)
Not picking sides, but that is true. They also run around 900 planes each and several thousand flights per day. In the grand scheme I’d say they’re no worse or better. It’s a misleading stat, but is true. There are hundreds of incidents/accidents every year.

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/delta

American and Delta are both in the top 20

If you're making a comparison with training environments, not including the placard at the entrance of the AA training facility; you are very very far from accurate my friend. You can't compare AA's training protocols and culture( Or any Legacy airline)to an ACMI....... let's be real now.
Industry standards are set at Legacy carriers for a reason.

Cujo665 10-10-2019 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellafo (Post 2901282)
If you're making a comparison with training environments, not including the placard at the entrance of the AA training facility; you are very very far from accurate my friend. You can't compare AA's training protocols and culture( Or any Legacy airline)to an ACMI....... let's be real now.
Industry standards are set at Legacy carriers for a reason.

I wasn’t doing any such thing. Somebody said the guy was wrong about the legacies having hundreds of incidents yearly. His stat was factually correct; his conclusion.... eh, not so much.

Cujo665 10-10-2019 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mexipilot84 (Post 2897675)
Man you guys just always wishing well onto others, Christ almighty. Hope your careers never go facing a dire situation. Calling everyone here to fail basically.

Some of us are working hard to better this place, even when those of you who have had negative experiences bite at our ankles.

Yeah a one crash airline is correct, we’re not delta or American who have had hundreds of incidents/accidents a year and can afford to stay afloat with their billions in insurance, lawyers etc. Doing it right the first time is key and that’s a struggle growing fast and trying to maintain a status quo. We have come a long way from what we were years ago. The mom and pop airline mentality unfortunately still exists in the operation and as it grows it’s unsustainable as you get to 200 pilots and 30 plus acft. FOQA is being implemented to help that and we do have gate keepers calling asking about flights. So they are keeping score.

I have never as CA, FO or LCA been made to do anything outside of safety or regulation. Nor have I ever felt the repercussions from it. 2 people sign the release not just one. Even if you’re the FO you have a say. Walk away and if as you guys claim someone pushes you ASAP it, report it etc. Your leadership doesn’t always know everything, show them in the book. Call out your CA. How many accidents have happened because the FO sits there and lets the CA dig both of their graves.....

Let us know how you stack up when you’re doing 7,000 flights a day.....

EXCONUA 10-10-2019 08:08 AM

Stat's
 
'There's are three types of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics'
-Mark Twain-

Comparing Legacy to certain ACMI's airlines 'Stats' is pointless..there is no comparison. Legacy airlines have a well established safety culture with robust safety reporting including FOQA, ask any legacy pilot if it's possible to violate safety policy and attempt to hide it..it's virtually impossible and grounds for immediate termination if discovered. Legacy reported incidents give an accurate indication of safety trends, pilots need to decide for themselves if they have confidence their respective airlines have a true safety culture with accurate reporting processes.

You also won't find a legacy CP threaten pilots for erring on the side of safety (or inserting themselves into ASAP reporting), then again legacy CP's are highly qualified and don't need to default to threats, bullying tactics and intimidation to hide a lack of knowledge, experience and competence

MNPS 50N50W 10-12-2019 05:19 AM

You also won't find a legacy CP threaten pilots for erring on the side of safety (or inserting themselves into ASAP reporting), then again legacy CP's are highly qualified and don't need to default to threats, bullying tactics and intimidation to hide a lack of knowledge, experience and competence[/QUOTE]

This area has become a real problem. And really needs to be dealt with

MNPS 50N50W 10-12-2019 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2897465)
Spelling, punctuation, grammar. :eek:

Did you're high school English teacher just dip your papers in red ink? American public school education on display. The unintended consequences of the texting generation. :rolleyes:

Well Sir. English is NOT my native language. But I am fluent in an additional 3 languages. I only BEG you NOT to send me back to whence I came.

EXCONUA 10-12-2019 08:15 AM

STATs 2
 
Legacy pilots are encouraged to report Safety issues via ASAP and internal reporting mechanisms. The companies are not afraid of reported safety issues, they realize if you take care of the little things the big things will take care of themselves. There is consequently no reluctance on the pilots part to file reports, this is a primary indicator of a true and established Safety culture. This is also why the numbers seem high to someone at an airline that retaliates against employee's for reporting safety issues, the Legacy numbers are accurate while the company that ensures there's hell to pay for someone who files a safety report are not.

If employee's are reluctant and/or hesitant to report safety issues due to potential blow back from they're respective company, that's a primary indication of a faux safety culture, the CP is NOT supposed to be involved in the ASAP program..PERIOD. A call from a CP or anyone else in Flt Ops Management after filing any safety report should be a cause of great concern, and indicates a highly ineffective and dysfunctional Safety Culture.

If a pilot is concerned about retaliation from management over internal safety reporting programs (ASAP is administered by the airline), they should consider filing a NASA ASRS Report. This program operates outside of a companies internal safety reporting programs. An airline with a TRUE Safety culture will have this reporting system available to pilots and encourage it's use, an airline afraid of true reporting wont.

The notion that Legacy airlines have hundreds of accidents/incidents per year, and only stay afloat because of billions in revenue and high priced lawyers is patently absurd, it's actually opposite of that conclusion. The airlines encourage reporting, have comprehensive reporting mechanisms and pilots feel ZERO reluctance to do so.

It's simply a phylsophical difference, face and identify negative trends to resolve them, or suppress them (Including creating fear in pilots to report) to give the appearance 'all's well'. It's also the difference between a company that operates with integrity, and one that doesn't.

EXCONUA 10-13-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2898653)
More than what you hear about. Guaranteed

Really? How do you know that? From who and where do you get you're super, double top secret information?


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