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TiredSoul 11-09-2019 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Hellafo (Post 2920512)
You should know the required equipment for RSVM of the top of your head.
I know it's an interview question....

Dyslexia the reason you two at Swift?

Hellafo 11-09-2019 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2920798)
Dyslexia the reason you two at Swift?

I don't work for Swift. And my comment wasn't an attack on you personally, just pointing out that it may be something you want to brush up on.

TiredSoul 11-09-2019 10:53 AM

That’s right you’re at UPS.
Still missed my original point by a country mile.

PilotnotPirate 11-09-2019 11:16 AM

Maybe he works at USP

Hellafo 11-09-2019 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2918181)
Don’t quite agree here.
Take for instance the altitude Alerter, the QRH won’t tell you that you can’t fly in RVSM Airspace but the MEL/DDG does.

That's your point, I didn't miss it. Think about how you would explain this to the FAA.
"...and then I picked up the MEL and it said yada yada so I did this and that..."
Or maybe you missed randomroute's point?

TiredSoul 11-09-2019 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Hellafo (Post 2920975)
That's your point, I didn't miss it. Think about how you would explain this to the FAA.
"...and then I picked up the MEL and it said yada yada so I did this and that..."
Or maybe you missed randomroute's point?

I hear Delta is hiring.

Hellafo 11-09-2019 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2921020)
I hear Delta is hiring.

Guess it is your way or the highway. You must be really fun to fly with.:rolleyes:

hoover 11-10-2019 06:25 PM

Take for instance if you lose a pack inflight. The qrh doesn't say you have to decend if you can maintain cabin but the MEL says you cant be dispatched above 250. We had a guy who knew this second to 250 then have to make a fuel stop. Sometimes knowing too much is a problem also.

TiredSoul 11-11-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Hellafo (Post 2921042)
You must be really fun to fly with.:rolleyes:

Pretty much a riot to have around, yes.
Now move along, this is the Swift mud fest. Nothing for you to see here.
You’re like a pastor in a *****house.

Jeff90 11-11-2019 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 2921635)
Take for instance if you lose a pack inflight. The qrh doesn't say you have to decend if you can maintain cabin but the MEL says you cant be dispatched above 250. We had a guy who knew this second to 250 then have to make a fuel stop. Sometimes knowing too much is a problem also.

That’s because one pack once up at cruise is capable hold pressurization, never go to the MEL in flight, in simpler terms it’s a dispatch deviation guide, again dispatch only.

TiredSoul 11-11-2019 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2921914)
That’s because one pack once up at cruise is capable hold pressurization, never go to the MEL in flight, in simpler terms it’s a dispatch deviation guide, again dispatch only.

DDG is a useful inflight reference because it may give additional insight into the effects of the failure on other systems.

DILLIGAF 11-13-2019 01:06 PM

Do you guys get paid during initial training? what about hotel accommodations?
Thanks

Jeff90 11-14-2019 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by DILLIGAF (Post 2923157)
Do you guys get paid during initial training? what about hotel accommodations?
Thanks

Yes full guarantee plus per diem starting first day of class, also hotels covered until 2 weeks after OE is complete

ChopperHopper 11-14-2019 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 2921635)
Take for instance if you lose a pack inflight. The qrh doesn't say you have to decend if you can maintain cabin but the MEL says you cant be dispatched above 250. We had a guy who knew this second to 250 then have to make a fuel stop. Sometimes knowing too much is a problem also.

Pilots at Swift, or any Airline, referring to MEL/DDG's inflight to answer an abnormal aircraft systems indication is an indication of poor training. Knowing "too much" is NEVER a problem. Making bad decisions, poor airmanship and having little to no training provided by your Airline is THE problem and a RED FLAG for the FAA. Sad to see colleagues have these kind of discussions, in public, where they literally make fools of themselves.

Hellafo 11-14-2019 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by ChopperHopper (Post 2923689)
Pilots at Swift, or any Airline, referring to MEL/DDG's inflight to answer an abnormal aircraft systems indication is an indication of poor training. Knowing "too much" is NEVER a problem. Making bad decisions, poor airmanship and having little to no training provided by your Airline is THE problem and a RED FLAG for the FAA. Sad to see colleagues have these kind of discussions, in public, where they literally make fools of themselves.

Shhhh he is a tired soul.
Hella.

hoover 11-14-2019 06:29 PM

Maybe I should have said thinking you know more than what the book says is a problem.

Triggs 11-18-2019 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2925043)
It doesnt matter how many came from US Air...when Swift resurrects them from the desert they use the steam gauges to replace EFIS. We have Alaska and SWA frames with vacuum gauges instead of the EFIS that once occupied the panels.

Also, let me make it VERY clear. The POH is used for indications that occur at ANY time. The MEL at Swift is critical as a cross reference because there is no EICAS or MX guy at 90% of the airports we fly to. So if youre doing a 7 day charter, youre going to want to know what to plan on down the road. Swift doesnt have dispatchers, so once MX Control okays a restriction-it’s up to the PIC to confirm performance expectations and prevent deviation from a clause. Dont let your cushy airline pilot experiences with ACARS and digital writeups and aerodata computations fool you. A pilot is authorized to use whatever is at his reach to better reference a failure or warning. None of that means the MEL is being used in flight for placarding and bandaging.

SWIFT IS NOT LIKE ANY COMPANY YOU HAVE EVER HEARD OF. THE OPSPECS HERE ALLOW FOR SO MUCH MORE THAN EVER KNOWN.

All this further emphasizes the point to take the most cautious course of action when experiencing an abnormal flight state.

And FWIW I didnt like TiredSoul either....until I realized he aint never lied🤷🏽*♂️

Once again, I wholeheartedly invite any of you pilots wanting to come to Swift-to list for the jumpseat in MIA, get a firsthand look at what this place is all about.

If you are going to throw mud around the barnyard, at least get your facts straight. ALL the USAir birds came with steam gauges because that is how they were ordered by USAir. SWA birds were steam gauge to begin with. The Alaska birds have EFIS, just like one of the original Swift planes (803).

Triggs 11-19-2019 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2926668)
Throwing mud by talking about avionics? The US Airway frames arent the only ones with steam gauges. Thats the point. The question was based on the likelihood of flying steam gauge frames.

You stated that Swift was converting EFIS birds to steam gauges to save money. That is certainly a cost they aren't going to insure

yoke jerker 11-22-2019 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by Triggs (Post 2925988)
If you are going to throw mud around the barnyard, at least get your facts straight. ALL the USAir birds came with steam gauges because that is how they were ordered by USAir. SWA birds were steam gauge to begin with. The Alaska birds have EFIS, just like one of the original Swift planes (803).

I think it was Piedmont who was the launch customer for the 3/400 in '84 who ordered all with steam guages. Of course they became US Air birds . The CP was afraid of his guys transitioning to a glass cockpit. In 84 there were still guys who had been with company since the YS11, martin 404 days .

4runner 11-30-2019 03:23 PM

I heard that one of the large freight operators bought every 75/76 ADI HSI tube they could and are keeping them warehoused. Most 75/76’s are getting STC’d with new glass panels.

4runner 11-30-2019 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 2924098)
Maybe I should have said thinking you know more than what the book says is a problem.

Boom...well put. You must be an instructor and a couple mistakes ahead of me.

hoover 12-01-2019 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 2931943)
Boom...well put. You must be an instructor and a couple mistakes ahead of me.

The adage "you have a bag of luck and a bag of experience...."

MNPS 50N50W 12-03-2019 06:45 AM

iAero Investment
 
The iAeroGroup investment in the 2 companies on 36th street, and Swift, seems logical at first glance.
But then they allow continued mismanagement from Swift.
2 emergency landings, in less than a week due to Maintenance. Flight Crew members are afraid to fly the aircraft. Instead of getting to the planes fixed properly, they continue to punish people for refusing to fly broke airplanes. Safety department, Quality Control department, completely failed and ineffective.
But then again, this is what 36th street is well known for.
Just had hopes.... So much money invested, but nothing changed. From the beginning of this thread until NOW.

Garryowen1 12-12-2019 03:02 PM

Any hiring going on at Swift right now? If so, how often and where are classes held? What is the training footprint? Is home basing still an option?

nitefr8dog 12-12-2019 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Garryowen1 (Post 2937806)
Any hiring going on at Swift right now? If so, how often and where are classes held? What is the training footprint? Is home basing still an option?

That's funny....with the previous post and you want to know if they are hiring. That is funny.....

TiredSoul 12-12-2019 03:27 PM


they continue to punish people for refusing to fly broke airplanes.
And all that with a Chief Pilot who cares and stands behind his pilots.
Right?!
:rolleyes:

Triggs 12-13-2019 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2937817)
And all that with a Chief Pilot who cares and stands behind his pilots.
Right?!
:rolleyes:


:cool:


filler

Jeff90 12-15-2019 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by Garryowen1 (Post 2937806)
Any hiring going on at Swift right now? If so, how often and where are classes held? What is the training footprint? Is home basing still an option?

Actively hiring into FO seat, homebasing will not be an option for a new hire right away it’s based on need and seniority. Interviews and classes are held in Miami now running about 50 days until the start of IOE.

2 weeks of indoc
1 week of systems
Oral
2 systems integration sims
4 training sims in the 300/400
Checkride
2 -800 loft sims
IOE

If your interested please apply on airline apps

Garryowen1 12-15-2019 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2939261)
Actively hiring into FO seat, homebasing will not be an option for a new hire right away it’s based on need and seniority. Interviews and classes are held in Miami now running about 50 days until the start of IOE.

2 weeks of indoc
1 week of systems
Oral
2 systems integration sims
4 training sims in the 300/400
Checkride
2 -800 loft sims
IOE

If your interested please apply on airline apps

Where are you guys doing the sims? In house training? or are you using a third party (cae, flightsafety, etc)?

Any update on the SW pathways program? Not a lot of information out there.

Jeff90 12-15-2019 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Garryowen1 (Post 2939329)
Where are you guys doing the sims? In house training? or are you using a third party (cae, flightsafety, etc)?

Any update on the SW pathways program? Not a lot of information out there.

Sims are at Pan Am with company instructors. Dry lease sims, and no update on the southwest deal yet.

Jeff90 12-16-2019 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2939802)
Speak of the devil...

I guess the CP is back to doing recruiting?
Anywho...

There is no pathway program for Southwest. I challenge any individual to query Swift/iAero for information about this “pathways” program. Southwest will not give preferential hiring to a company with ZERO bonafides in the realms of safety/ingenuity/training/procedures/ or industry leadership.

Seriously, ask yourself; “What makes the Swift operation appealing to SWA?”

While you're figuring out that lie, call the Blackstone group tel:+1 212-583-5263 and ask about iAero. Spoiler alert, they have no idea who or what that is.

What makes the Swift operation appealing to you? If you want to fly steam gauges with noisy engines, join me at Cape Air ~\_(oo)_/~

Still not the chief pilot, but I respond to questions and inquiries, your the least of anyone worries here since your departure

Garryowen1 12-16-2019 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2940065)
Still not the chief pilot, but I respond to questions and inquiries

Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it.

Jeff90 12-16-2019 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Garryowen1 (Post 2940071)
Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it.

Absolutely anytime that’s what this forum is truly for, but some people seem to forget that on here.

Jeff90 12-17-2019 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2940615)
Dont do me like that jeffe!

Look guys, I got an idea. How about all you pilots organize and send an envoy with an offer for an immediate start to Neeleman’s operation in Salt Lake City? Everybody give $100 to a pot for resume repair/travel/legitimate representation. Initial cadre and full benefits at functional airline with leadership that has a known track record of success. Leave the Swift dump behind and get treated like professionals.

Im gone but I still want the best for my friends and if I had more pull in Nantucket-you'd all be on the 421 with me. You dont need a union, you just need to get on the same page.

I’m not saying Swift is just industry best, because it’s clearly not.

We have old airplanes
We don’t get a minimum day credit
Etc
There’s a lot that can be changed I’m just trying to make this the best place for future aviators coming here and while I’m here. Is this a hang you hat kind of place right now?

No it’s not it could be with the right guidance.

TiredSoul 12-17-2019 03:44 PM

This ^^^
Business model will not change.

PilotnotPirate 12-17-2019 04:28 PM

There are positive changes happening...slowly.


MIAMI, Dec. 17, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- iAero Group, the leading integrated aviation platform business headquartered at Miami International Airport, continued its growth plan by investing in new assets, facilities, and operations, and hiring several new executive team members.

iAero Group has invested over $50M in its aviation platform since the closing of the acquisitions of the businesses within the iAero Group family:

Purchase of aircraft for iAero Airways
Substantial improvements to shop facilities and purchase of new equipment and tooling for iAero Thrust
Upgrades to the Miami airport hangar facility for iAero Tech
Renovations for a new Miami headquarters office space for iAero Group
The company has also welcomed new financial, commercial, and leadership talent to its growing team:

David Lancelot, CFO, iAero Group: David has over 25 years of experience as an aviation financial leader successfully restructuring and growing businesses and raising both private and public capital. He previously was CFO for Spirit Airlines, Highland Capital, Atlas Air, AirTran Airways and Erickson, Inc. He began his aviation career at American Airlines in 1994. More detail: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lancelot-73b1a86
Mark Ebanks, Chief Commercial Officer, iAero Thrust: Mark has over 25 years of commercial aviation experience, with a diverse background in aircraft marketing and sales, leasing and finance. He began his career working at major airlines (Eastern and United) where he held leadership positions in maintenance and engineering. While at United, he transitioned to sales, offering aircraft and engines, maintenance support, and flight training services in the global marketplace. Mark joined CIT Aerospace in 1998 and spent the next 19 years marketing and leasing commercial aircraft. Most recently, Mark served as SVP Sales and Marketing at Azorra Aviation. More detail: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markebanks/
Jim Greiner, COO, iAero Group: Jim has over 30 years of leadership experience as a CEO, President, or COO of several start-up and growth companies. His experience includes both aviation manufacturing and air tourism industries. He previously was President of Sundance Helicopters. More detail: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimgreiner
"With these capital investments and new talent, the company has now established a stronger foundation for growth in 2020 and beyond," said iAero Group Chief Executive Officer, Robert Caputo. "This is just the beginning of iAero Group's and Blackstone's continued commitment to build upon the best integrated aviation platform and team in the industry, and fulfill our purpose of elevating people and places."

MNPS 50N50W 12-18-2019 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by MNPS 50N50W (Post 2932967)
The iAeroGroup investment in the 2 companies on 36th street, and Swift, seems logical at first glance.
But then they allow continued mismanagement from Swift.
2 emergency landings, in less than a week due to Maintenance. Flight Crew members are afraid to fly the aircraft. Instead of getting to the planes fixed properly, they continue to punish people for refusing to fly broke airplanes. Safety department, Quality Control department, completely failed and ineffective.
But then again, this is what 36th street is well known for.
Just had hopes.... So much money invested, but nothing changed. From the beginning of this thread until NOW.

Yet another emergency landing this week. Due to Maintenance, Broken aircraft with DMI's that are allowed to run until the last second, then Signed OFF, next flight same Squak, back on DMI. As I said before, the Quality Assurance department ( Chief Inspector ) and the Dir. SAFETY, are useless, if not just ineffective. For a company with 30 airplanes, why would the FAA allow more if this company cannot manage the current fleet Safely. Safety department is publishing safety matrix on a monthly basis, only to show that it is getting worse, not better. LIP SERVICE. IT IS UP TO YOU CAPTAINS. We all have families, and love what we do for a living, but you don't want to be the ONE declaring an emergency after accepting a questionably safe, but legal on paper, airplane to fly. Your Crew, and the flying public deserve much better. Remember that final DECISION to accept the airplane is YOURS, and that's exactly how the company will tell it to the Feds. Just ask the last 3 Captains declaring the emergencies, how they were treated afterwards.

Garryowen1 12-18-2019 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2940214)
Absolutely anytime that’s what this forum is truly for, but some people seem to forget that on here.

Seems like lots of changes coming down. Press release posted above got me looking around a bit. Came across the new website too. New blood always leads to new ideas. Can’t knock that.

https://iflyiaero.com/programs-%26-requirements

TiredSoul 12-18-2019 02:43 PM

Ideas yes.
Results no.
You need a culture change for that.
Ain’t gonna happen.

Garryowen1 12-24-2019 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff90 (Post 2940214)
Absolutely anytime that’s what this forum is truly for, but some people seem to forget that on here.

Traditional bidding? Average credit per month? How many days off usually? Looks like a good mix of “on-demand” flying. How is that built into your schedule? Anything else to add that I’m not thinking of in regards to QOL?


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