JSX under attack
07-11-2023, 01:11 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by followingdreams
It doesnt matter if its a "loop hole", it is legal under the current regs. If anyone doesnt believe ALPA is only interested becasue a. JSX is non-union, or b. ALPA would TOTALLY support the business model IF JSX was a union shop and ALPA could siphon dues.
There is no reason for a Union that has no buisness, in this business, to care about this unless it somehow affects them.
There is no reason for a Union that has no buisness, in this business, to care about this unless it somehow affects them.
07-11-2023, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainJay
It’s not unknown. ITS COMPLETELY LEGAL. 14CFR part 380 if memory serves. The public exemption charter has been around for years. I worked for a 135 outfit that did the same thing JSX is doing back in 2011 flying 2x a day between TTN and BED selling 99$ seats. The FAA ramped us every other day or so, but never once found an issue. You could sense they didn’t care for it but they also knew it was legal, and said as much. We spent our 10 minutes together, shook hands and went on our way. In the end the business model failed, the subsidiary closed and we moved on to strictly charter until becoming a 121 carrier. Seems like JSX has figured out how to make the model work better than they did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streamline_Air
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streamline_Air
07-11-2023, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz
And a similar outfit in HNL got shut down for this same gimmick in 2006. What's your point? They're all different cases with different circumstances.
07-12-2023, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainJay
You might want to do some research. I recommend reading 14CFR 380 for a start, before you make wild accusations about skirting the regulations. You don’t have to like the business model of JSX but the fact remains it is within the regulations. Period. End of story.
By the way, I am pretty sure others (a big name in NC comes to mind) are operating under this Public charter model as well and Alpa isn’t concerned?
By the way, I am pretty sure others (a big name in NC comes to mind) are operating under this Public charter model as well and Alpa isn’t concerned?
07-18-2023, 04:12 PM
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ALPA just has to look like they are doing something for their membership.
Nevermind that about 1/3rd of Contour and JSX's pilots were once life-long ALPA/union members. And that even experienced pilots kill people and crash planes (didn't the Transair crew that put a 737 in the water have a combined 20,000 hours?)
Nevermind that about 1/3rd of Contour and JSX's pilots were once life-long ALPA/union members. And that even experienced pilots kill people and crash planes (didn't the Transair crew that put a 737 in the water have a combined 20,000 hours?)
09-18-2023, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by loveme117
ALPA just has to look like they are doing something for their membership.
Nevermind that about 1/3rd of Contour and JSX's pilots were once life-long ALPA/union members. And that even experienced pilots kill people and crash planes (didn't the Transair crew that put a 737 in the water have a combined 20,000 hours?)
Nevermind that about 1/3rd of Contour and JSX's pilots were once life-long ALPA/union members. And that even experienced pilots kill people and crash planes (didn't the Transair crew that put a 737 in the water have a combined 20,000 hours?)
09-18-2023, 08:14 PM
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Multiple threads started under the same subject, same poster starting them. Still doesn't make the story true.
FAA coming after JSX
FAA coming after JSX
09-20-2023, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by zippinbye
"doing something," indeed. Telling the world we should not fly Part 121 past age 65. Outright lying by saying the "vast majority" of membership concurs with that assertion, although they never polled me for an opinion (nor any ALPA pilot I've ever spoken with). Well isn't it special that ALPA now seeks to eradicate an operation that in theory allows pilots to fly past 65? Thanks ALPA, for doing something!
02-28-2024, 12:06 PM
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