National Airlines (ex-Murray Air YIP);Discuss
 

Anyone have any info?

Grape-Nuts - it contains neither grapes, nor nuts. Discuss.

Man, I'm getting old. I knew those guys when they had fresh ATPs. Their Dad was not a pilot but was big in freight out of YIP. They have come a long way. People with connections at YIP will always have work. See Connie Kallitta for the ultimate example of that.

Discuss? hmmm, ok.

Discussing.

I know 2 PFE's that went to National. There's no home basing, so you make your way to and stay at YIP on your own dime. Management told them that once they were finished with training and online, they wouldn't have to worry about having to get a crash pad or hotel @ YIP. However, after a few weeks of being online, they still had to hotel it on their own dime in YIP.

Anyway, they both jumped ship and went to ATI.

I really don't have a dog on this fight, but it's funny how "the other" company is always better than the one in question...

I haven't a dog in this fight either. In the interest contributing, I was just relaying info given to me that was relevant to the thread topic. I never said or even implied that one was "better" than the other.

They are doing real good I meet two guys working their , they got A few DC-8 and five 757-200 and a I think 2 747-400 over seas dont know the pay from what the guys said good people to work for and stay busy for sure they do a lot of goverment work . I even seen on line they soon have a 757-200 passanger for charther.

The 747s aren't theirs. They're chartering (Air Atlantic?) from Iceland.

Yes thats true... Saw one taxiing in JFK this AM. Painted in National colors, but it was an Air Atlanta plane.

They're owned by the same owner of NAL, but not on the cert. yet.

That is correct. Check out their web site, www.nationalirlines.aero to get an update on the 757/747 FAA certification. Meanwhile, operating under the Air Atlanta certificate until certification. But the aircraft are owned by the corporation.

Hi I justed joined and this is my first post so please go easy on me.......

What is the total story?

Long to short I'm in the running for stuff and have been for about 6 months. The latest update I got was that once the 757 proving runs started, I might get the call. Was told the proving runs were slated for the end of February and I watched for anything. Unfortunately I didn't see a single flight and have even noticed the DC-8 flying seems to have dropped to just being a hot spare for ATI ops in TOL. I know the 747-400s are plying their trade but like was talked about above, they are not on NCR's certificate.

It can easily be assumed that the 757 STC for combi configuration is probably the hold up but whats going on? When I interviewed, they had the 757 AFM already at the FSDO and the ETOPS manual written and waiting. I really want to get the call because they have a really solid business plan and it seems like management is really committed to this.

Thanks!

Fixed it for ya, www.nationalairlines.aero

The FSDO seems to be the hold up, I'd be curious, when did you interview?

The position I applied for is in my username with the chance to "maybe" fly right seat in a few years and this was back in late September.

I applied back in Sept. also, no answer. Ex-ATA typed in B-757/767

saw one of their 400s in OMSJ this afternoon.

Bump......

Was wondering if anyone has heard anything new? Their DC-8-73 just came out of a major overhaul/check and is back flying. Seen some activity again from the DC-8's over the past month. No 757 proving runs seen though.

Proving runs start the first of May.

Mind if I inquire about your source?

Look closely next time and see if it has an N registration.
The one I seen have don't.

FlightAware > NCR201T
FlightAware > NCR202T

TF (Icelandic) registration on the 400s. Operated under Air Atlanta certificate.

FlightAware > NCR202P
FlightAware > NCR501P
FlightAware > NCR502P
FlightAware > NCR710P

Could these be possible ETOPS testing flights? Like I said above, the ETOPS program was completed along side the 757 AFM. Would seem like a logical guess, yet YIP-SNN is on a non-ETOPS route of flight.

Thoughts, insights?

Probably non ETOPS but MNPS and Class 2 nav proving run. Little early for ETOPS, the main guy at FAA National in charge of signing ETOPs OPS specs will want to see more data tracking and maint. stuff before any ETOPs

Makes sense....... just wondering about the flights to SAV and back yesterday though. Those might be ETOPS related. IIRC, the plan was to jump right into ETOPS revenue flights once the 757 was added to OP SPECs.

Any information on what's competitive, or what they pay? The info on APC is pretty limited.

According to their website they are only looking for guys who are qualified on the 747 and 757.

The last I saw, they were paying 75k for a 744 check airman.
Talk about lowball.

Might seem that way but this place has so much potential. Give it time.

Where did you see that?

You must be new to this biz.
I have heard that line at every company I have ever worked for and it has never panned out.

I believe it was on 350 about this time last year.

For those who might care, NCR's second 757 landed @ YIP today. Ex-Zoom 757 now N176CA. Came from EINN/SNN.

Landed about 30 minutes before I went thru.

Any word on plans to hire? There's a lot of great guys getting furloughed from World looking for a new home.

I believe I'm the only pilot furloughed from NAL. Hire a year ago, furloughed in Sept.

Last enquiry to the CP was that they are parking all the DC8s and transitioning crews to the B757.

I was told to not expect a call back "anytime soon." Of course, they may have no intention of calling me back, either.

The bidding period for the Military contracts is soon approaching. Having been at ATI and comparing it to what I know about NCR, I really think NCR has a chance of winning some (if not all) of the contracts. ATI will still have one "fuel-efficient" DC-8 out of the five current combis but that will be it without the 757(s).

I get the feeling that National has a lot less overhead then ATI. Granted they're still "hurting" from the BAX/Schanker deal but they didn't quite have it all together and it might hurt them in the end.

When I got my pink slip, there was very little talk of the 757 program/N556CM other then that the DFW FSDO was going to make ATI jump thru all the hoops again (ETOPS certification, PAX certification, etc) when they actually start the process. Almost sounds like DFW is going to "ignore" all the 767 operating experience with ETOPS, PAX, etc.

Do 757 combi's meet the military specs? I know the 8's do, but I don't if the 75s do.

Yes once they finish the certification process since the 757 combi is a new STC, as I understand it, as there was only one factory B757 combi ever made.

The military wants more fuel efficient aircraft, hence the push by both National and ATI when the bidding starts. The DC8-62s that ATI operate do not meet the new requirements. Only the -72 (N721CX) does. The other -72 (N722CX) has been parked and was being used for parts in MCC.