Downgrades and no new deliveries.
10-27-2017, 06:20 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by Bgood
The point still remains though, its in the company's custody, gotta admit.
10-27-2017, 10:04 AM
#43
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 123
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
I do admit. I also admit speaking with a base manager recently who said we will not be taking any additional flying or putting any new planes into service for 4-5 months. It all may fall into place, and I hope it does, but it's going to be a while.
10-27-2017, 10:50 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by Cirrusly
Taking less flying is something we should of done 5 months ago. It’s ashame management would rather stress(min rest,extensions) the pilot group instead of admitting the company is not staffed for the flying.
They threw morale and out good will in the toilet. Now they are reaping the consequences (mass exodus).
11-02-2017, 02:06 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: Clueless Regional Jet
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So the new rumor is that the downgraded Dash CAs that just began jet class today are being trained as Jet CAs. So the downgrade didn't happen but upgrades out of seniority order did. I am confused.
11-02-2017, 02:24 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by YLpilot
So the new rumor is that the downgraded Dash CAs that just began jet class today are being trained as Jet CAs. So the downgrade didn't happen but upgrades out of seniority order did. I am confused.
In fact, they are preparing for actual jet downgrades.
11-02-2017, 03:49 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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Originally Posted by YLpilot
So the new rumor is that the downgraded Dash CAs that just began jet class today are being trained as Jet CAs. So the downgrade didn't happen but upgrades out of seniority order did. I am confused.
It's already bad enough that they're paying downgraded dash captains more than jet FOs that are senior to them.
11-04-2017, 03:46 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: EMB 145 FO
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Originally Posted by JediCheese
If that happened, there would be the mother of all grievances filed and if the Union agreed to it (or didn't fight it vigorously), there would be a mass exodus of pilots.
It's already bad enough that they're paying downgraded dash captains more than jet FOs that are senior to them.
It's already bad enough that they're paying downgraded dash captains more than jet FOs that are senior to them.
I know you are new and SJS is in full swing for you but only you can save yourself from yourself. Enjoy the downgrade, taking shortcuts in life doesn’t tend to work out does it?
11-04-2017, 04:13 AM
#49
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The LOA FAQ sent last night notes some positive changes:
It appears that downgraded DHC 8 CA will train as ERJ CA while being right seat qualified. They will be considered "Eligible Captains" per the LOA, and receive benefits as such. They will fly as FOs after IOE.
This alleviates the need to go through upgrade training once their seniority can hold captain.
Looks like a decent compromise.
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It appears that downgraded DHC 8 CA will train as ERJ CA while being right seat qualified. They will be considered "Eligible Captains" per the LOA, and receive benefits as such. They will fly as FOs after IOE.
This alleviates the need to go through upgrade training once their seniority can hold captain.
Looks like a decent compromise.
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Last edited by turboprop87; 11-04-2017 at 04:46 AM.
11-04-2017, 04:49 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by turboprop87
The LOA FAQ sent last night notes some positive changes:
It appears that downgraded DHC 8 CA will train as ERJ CA while being right seat qualified. They will be considered "Eligible Captains" per the LOA, and receive benefits as such. They will fly as FOs after IOE.
This alleviates the need to go through upgrade training once their seniority can hold captain.
Looks like a decent compromise.
Sent from my ZTE A2017U using Tapatalk
It appears that downgraded DHC 8 CA will train as ERJ CA while being right seat qualified. They will be considered "Eligible Captains" per the LOA, and receive benefits as such. They will fly as FOs after IOE.
This alleviates the need to go through upgrade training once their seniority can hold captain.
Looks like a decent compromise.
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That same email also confirmed that we will be downgrading jet captains for 3 to 6 months. Yet we continue to send out emails, and postcards, offering "rapid upgrades".
This place has more issues than I can count.
