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Old 08-02-2018 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
It required the intervention of the NMB mediators (and substantial raises to both pilot groups) to rationalize the Alaska and Virgin America pilots into one CBA. And they were the same Union and flying comparable if somewhat different aircraft.

Here you have four different pilot groups, two different unions, contracts legally requiring years more of 50 seat flying for majors already scoped out for larger jets.

And merging seniority lists? Two and a half years into their CBA and the Alaska/Virgin pilot groups still haven't gotten that accomplished.

I see this process taking a half-decade and most of those around for the start of it watching from a major long before it is finally completed.
But your looking at it from from a slightly off perspective. That merger was the first merger for both of those airlines. Republic has merged multiple airlines in the recent past, Chautauqua into Shuttle America and then Shuttle into Republic. They have a formula for doing this and in our last round of negotiations the union said they already have a plan for Mergers and Aquisitions that will streamline the process. The 145 has only been out of the loop at Republic for two years now.

Our contract requires a single seniority list. That WILL happen. Our contract also allows a metered flow between certificates. I haven't looked at it since voting, but I believe It works in both ways, as in We can move to any certificate and you guys can move to us.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tpinks
But your looking at it from from a slightly off perspective. That merger was the first merger for both of those airlines. Republic has merged multiple airlines in the recent past, Chautauqua into Shuttle America and then Shuttle into Republic. They have a formula for doing this and in our last round of negotiations the union said they already have a plan for Mergers and Aquisitions that will streamline the process. The 145 has only been out of the loop at Republic for two years now.

Our contract requires a single seniority list. That WILL happen. Our contract also allows a metered flow between certificates. I haven't looked at it since voting, but I believe It works in both ways, as in We can move to any certificate and you guys can move to us.
He's 100% correct on that. We have to be merged the Company cannot keep everyone apart.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 09:52 AM
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He's 100% correct on that. We have to be merged the Company cannot keep everyone apart.
Except BOTH CONTRACTS are amendable at the CBA and since AT LEAST ONE LEGAL CONTRACT MUST BE CHANGED, either both pilot groups must agree or it goes to arbitration.

The Republic contract with its employees is not controlling over the Compass contract with its employees, even if Republic is the one doing the buying. Ultimately it all goes to arbitration and the CBA that energies is pretty much whatever the mediator says it is.

That's what happened to Alaska and Virgin America when they got their combined CBA two and a half years ago. Both contracts were changed. And now, two and a half years later, the two pilot groups are STILL fighting over the SLI which they HOPE will come out of arbitration in September.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Except BOTH CONTRACTS are amendable at the CBA and since AT LEAST ONE LEGAL CONTRACT MUST BE CHANGED, either both pilot groups must agree or it goes to arbitration.

The Republic contract with its employees is not controlling over the Compass contract with its employees, even if Republic is the one doing the buying. Ultimately it all goes to arbitration and the CBA that energies is pretty much whatever the mediator says it is.

That's what happened to Alaska and Virgin America when they got their combined CBA two and a half years ago. Both contracts were changed. And now, two and a half years later, the two pilot groups are STILL fighting over the SLI which they HOPE will come out of arbitration in September.
Yes we all know that. The Local could sue RAH if they left everyone separate it's a violation of the CBA. I also know they have zero intent to do that. You're missing that point.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 10:22 AM
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I was at RP during the whole Midwest and F9 circus and that SLI was actually done very quickly. In the end it meant nothing as fences were put up at F9, but a ton of super junior Lynx guys were put ahead of 6 year FOs at RP. One of those Lynx guys is now the CP at Compass.

If this truly goes through, all sides will be ****ed for awhile, thus meaning a fairly successful SLI bu an arbitrator.

Though I'm sure the IBT would be voted to stay due to serious majority, I'd recommend ALPA. The resources we had while I was at CP makes the IBT look like a joke. Just my opinion.


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Old 08-02-2018 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by atdhockey
Yes we all know that. The Local could sue RAH if they left everyone separate it's a violation of the CBA. I also know they have zero intent to do that. You're missing that point.

Missing WHAT point? That RAH has zero intent to operate on separate certificates? It's not their call - not until the existing Compass contract is up or amended. If they purchase TSH they purchase it with existing contracts in place, both for codeshare flying and labor agreements. Where there are conflicts with contracts they already have, somebody must either be bought off or it goes to arbitration.

Eventually it can all be MADE to happen by arbitrated CBA, but that isn't a speedy process and none of the CBAs going in to the process wind up being binding on what ultimately comes out. That's all I'm saying.

And then the SLI gets started, which will be even MORE time consuming. And again, none of the seniority lists going in are going to be controlling of what comes out.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Missing WHAT point? That RAH has zero intent to operate on separate certificates? It's not their call - not until the existing Compass contract is up or amended.
You are 100% incorrect, contract amalgamation can occur before the existing contracts expire. And you can even operate on the same certificate under different CBAs until that process is complete a-la-US Airways
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Old 08-02-2018 | 11:08 AM
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It will be hilarious if this all turns out to be fake.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 11:20 AM
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“By Corporate Communications 8/01/2018 10:14 PM
Tonight a story reported Republic Airways is nearing a deal to buy Trans States Holdings. Over the past several months there have been many rumored transactions involving our industry peers. We will not comment on any rumors or speculate about events that may or may not happen in the market. Rest assured that when and if there is any news of this sort, we will announce it directly to our Associates and our partners. In the meantime, we will remain focused on what we do best – delivering the safest, cleanest and most reliable product available in the industry. That is the surest way to ensure success as our airline prepares for the next stage of growth.

The Executive Leadership Team “

this was posted in the republic forum. not exactly a strong denial. also I feel like its not a coincidence that we have an all employee meeting that was scheduled for the 22nd which is not the usual first Thursday of the month but does line up well with the articles statement of an announcement coming later in the month.
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Old 08-02-2018 | 11:25 AM
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Did u guys just see the memo from RL?

They are going to tell us before media will.
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