Compass gets 12 e170s
 

Company email confirms it

Where are they coming from? Who is buying them?

The rumor floating around for a while has been that they are ex-Virgin Blue birds, however, I think they only have 6 frames.

Company email was not to specific. 12 170's for Delta. No mention of where they came from or where they will be flown. It starts in May.

starting in may and taking them into 2nd quarter of 2012. I think this about taps out deltas 70 seat scope.

I have heard they are coming from the alitalia regional and virgin blue.

Great, more "RJs".... :rolleyes:

Spoilers, your avatar, etc. continues to enlighten me. I digress.....:D

Tim Martins became a national hero in the April, 2010 ALPA magazine.

Wow, not even a year. Allow me to rephrase the aforementioned!

According to the union email, the first six aircraft will begin to arrive May 2011 in a 70-seat, single class configuration. They will be switched to 2-class at a later time.

The Compass website is already done up to reflect this addition.

I thought Delta scope was already maxed out on 70 seaters, no?

76 seaters - yes, 70 seaters - no

Well done Lee Moak and DAL ALPA! Seriously my hands hurt from applauding your strategy. Sure helps those of us at Unical in front of an abitrartor to have our #1 competitor loading up on RJ's like an All You Can eat buffet at a cheap Vegas hotel.

Doesn't CAL scope allow for unlimited 50 seat jets & 70 seat turboprops, while UAL allows unlimited 70 seaters?

How many 70 seat aircraft does the United Contract limit UAL to?

How many more 70 seaters can they give out before the cap is hit?

There isn't a 70-seat cap. There is a 76-seat cap, and if I'm not mistaken, it has been reached (mean no more 76 seat jets.)

70 seat cap is 255, of which no more than 153(?) can be 71-76 seats.

76 seaters are maxed out. 70 seaters have about 15 to go.

There is a 70 seat cap. Only 255 large RJ's are allowed, of which 153 can be 76 seaters.

Here is the DAL scope as regards to large RJ's (i.e. "permitted types").

A maximum of 255 51-70 seat jets may be operated by DCI.

Within that 255, the company may operate 120 with 71-76 seat jets and a MGTOW less than 86,000 lbs(the original CPZ birds are exempt from the weight limit, but any new airframes must comply). The company may operate 3 more 71-76 seat airframes for each mainline aircraft (N) added above the fleet baseline.

They are in compliance and are operating 153 71-76 seat airframes and cannot add any more 71-76 seat jets until they are actively operating 30+ more mainline airframes.

The addition of the Skywest, Shuttle Am., and CPZ 51-70 seaters (66 really) puts the company within about 15 of the max number of permitted jets. They CANNOT add any more 76 seats, only the 66 seat jets are allowed.

So how did Lee Moak, WHO WASN'T EVEN THE MEC CHAIRMAN when this was shoved down the Delta Pilots' throats in bankruptcy, cause this problem? (and they still managed to put a cap on the # of jets)

During the merger, when Lee Moak was the DALPA MEC chair, the joint contract scope reduced the total number of 70/76 seat jets to less than what were permitted at DAL and NWA combined before the merger.....That looks like a scope victory to me. Not a huge victory, but a win nonetheless.

The better question is: How well UAL and USAirways do in bankruptcy WRT large RJ scope?

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The better question is: How is Compass going to staff these jets? Training is jammed with recurrets, new hires and upgrades. The FAA is up their a$$es about the program as is and the first jet comes on May.

Just for the record Lee Moak wasn't around on the Red side when Compass was formed nor was Compass formed at Delta but rather Northwest. Ironic that I had just came back from furlough and my wife had just gotten her "Even though we invited you to a class we are now NOT inviting you anymore" letter from NWA, Compass was just ramping up.
Not defending DALPA nor Moak but just wanted to set the record straight.

Explain why Compass wasn't merged with Nwa and Dal? That would've helped all our situations out a lot!

After watching the Republic captains end up above Frontier captains, I am glad Compass was not merged with Delta.

Since Flow-Through language was already in place and one MEC represented all parties, the outcome would have been much different.

In the spirit of Charlie Sheen perhaps Moak's signature should be 'WINNING'. Bottom line, he did jack to help contain the cancer of large rj's especially en lite of management needing the merger. If Unical pilots try to make mass scope reduction a strike able item it wouldn't shock me if mediator puts us on ice ala APA. Every large RJ added hurts our cause in the war to bring things in house. Thanks again Lee. Hope you enjoy all those steaks at Capital Grille.

There gona be out of business way before they ever get a chance to take them seats...oil prices will make sure of that

Let us not forget that while Delta is adding some RJ's it is also parking a large number...including a little more than half the fleet at Comair, putting those folks out of work. The overall DCI fleet is shrinking. Delta has also put out an RFP for a new 100 seat narrow body. I am not discounting the importance of scope, but at least things are moving in the right direction.

Trust me we haven't. Plenty of us Comair folks have come to Compass to seek refuge. 80% of my class alone was from Comair.

From 170 to 44 is indeed a little more than half. :eek:

I'm not sure I agree, getting more of the big RJs at the Regional level is not good for this industry no matter how many turbo props and old 200s are parked. Is the net reduction at the regional level from the turbo props or the 200's?

Wow..I'm speechless

Guys, the point Im making is that there was a time when Delta was adding RJ's and signing contracts with almost every regional in the industry, all the while parking its own jets and furloughing lots of pilots. Today, just the opposite is occurring...thats all Im trying to say. Im not in favor of or suggesting loading up on E170's at any one of the many DCI carriers is a good thing. Someone made a comment about Lee Moak basically selling out Delta pilots in favor of RJ growth. And my response to it with my comment was pointing out that A.) lots of guys/gals at Comair are losing their jobs and B.) Delta is looking to add new narrow body lift that would probably reclaim the flying that alot of the large RJ's have been performing as of late.
Jay, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree if you still do. And Tim, speech?

Jay, the net reduction is most certainly from 50 seat regional jets. The only turbo props flown at DCI other than SKW which is all at risk, I believe are the Saabs here at Mesaba which are on their way out as we speak. The rest are coming from a very large pull down at Comair and I believe another large portion were removed with the whole Mesa lawsuit. And once again, Im not suggesting large RJ's are a good thing, but I will submit that a total fleet of 255 large RJ's is better than 500 small RJ's.

I believe Tin is referring to the RFP that Delta gave to the manufactures for a new mainline jet. You read his post as a RFP to the regionals.

Duplicate......

Once again, doesn't UAL scope allow unlimited 70 seat jets, while CAL allows unlimited 70 seat turboprops & 50 seat jets? I think you dug your own hole. Quit pointing the finger at DAL, & worry about cleaning up your own mess.

And BTW, DAL's CURRENT scope agreement was in place BEFORE the UAL/CAL merger was even announced!!! Large RJ/turboprop scope at DAL has been reduced over the last several years. Has the same occured at UAL/CAL?

The total number of allowable large RJs was REDUCED as a result of the merger.