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Maingear 12-27-2017 10:14 AM

I think cs doesn't understand what it's like to be junior manned or not released. They're home every night no matter what. No compassion from them at all.

BobbyLeeSwagger 12-27-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 2490179)
I think cs doesn't understand what it's like to be junior manned or not released. They're home every night no matter what. No compassion from them at all.

I think if you get junior manned and you think you were called out of line, you should let the union know so they can look into it. My hunch is that it is being misused and abused, they through it around in a very cavalier manner as if it's their little trump card to extend you into the next day.

There is quite a bit of contract language regarding junior manning and I suggest we all get up on the rules. It used to not happen like this before where it's all the time, so it wasn't a focus point for me, but it needs to start being one..

PanchoBarnes 12-27-2017 11:29 AM

When Envoy takes our planes we’ll be getting birds for Hawaiian. Mainland connection flying.
It’ll be Hawaiian “outrigger Service” (wa’a) .

Heard it from a new hire at HAL

veewan 12-27-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PanchoBarnes (Post 2490222)
When Envoy takes our planes we’ll be getting birds for Hawaiian. Mainland connection flying.
It’ll be Hawaiian “outrigger Service” (wa’a) .

Heard it from a new hire at HAL

I heard 175s and 190s for NAI.

Heard it from a new hire at Norwegian.

Poser765 12-27-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 2490179)
I think cs doesn't understand what it's like to be junior manned or not released. They're home every night no matter what. No compassion from them at all.

we all have our duties to keep the operation running. That includes scheduling. I know it's hard but you have to keep in mind it's not personal. Scheduling doesn't just say "yeah I want to screw with poser, let's junior man him." they use whatever tool they can to put out their fires.

That's not to say they don't game the system to get stuff done, and that crap needs to be called out.

FlytheSky 12-27-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nimbleNavigator (Post 2490130)
Same story here, but YVR. I feel your pain. The holiday/premium pay and an extra day off helps, but my Christmas morning plans were ruined.

http://www.boldcupofcoffee.com/uploa...29791_orig.jpg

ShooterMcGavin 12-27-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 2490179)
I think cs doesn't understand what it's like to be junior manned or not released. They're home every night no matter what. No compassion from them at all.

I don't think that's the case at all,at least interactions I've had with them. Keep in mind they are under pressure from management to keep planes in the air and not cancel for lack of crew as that will eventually lead to our performance metrics set by our codeshare partners to nosedive and then we will end up getting ExpressJetted when we fail to make contractual goals. yes,getting junior manned sucks,but unfortunately it's the nature of the industry. Planes break,weather goes to ****,our peers call in sick,etc.

The new guy 12-27-2017 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin (Post 2490256)
I don't think that's the case at all,at least interactions I've had with them. Keep in mind they are under pressure from management to keep planes in the air and not cancel for lack of crew as that will eventually lead to our performance metrics set by our codeshare partners to nosedive and then we will end up getting ExpressJetted when we fail to make contractual goals. yes,getting junior manned sucks,but unfortunately it's the nature of the industry. Planes break,weather goes to ****,our peers call in sick,etc.

This is it Compass cares about two entities: Delta and American no more and no less. Their objective is to provide reliable lift at all costs. They have zero obligation to follow the CBA they know how weak the union is and will continue to ignore the CBA to fulfill their needs.

waflyboy 12-27-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The new guy (Post 2490292)
This is it Compass cares about two entities: Delta and American no more and no less. Their objective is to provide reliable lift at all costs. They have zero obligation to follow the CBA they know how weak the union is and will continue to ignore the CBA to fulfill their needs.

The Company, in fact, has an explicit obligation to honor the CBA.

Their incentive to honor it? Another story.

Poser765 12-27-2017 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The new guy (Post 2490292)
This is it Compass cares about two entities: Delta and American no more and no less. Their objective is to provide reliable lift at all costs. They have zero obligation to follow the CBA they know how weak the union is and will continue to ignore the CBA to fulfill their needs.

when one calls scheduling the person who answers the phone is just as much "the company" as you are.


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