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Old 02-27-2020, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Right now 121 is generally better, assuming major airlines. Top tier airline jobs are more readily attainable right now than "unicorn" corporate jobs.



One notable thing non-airline flying can provide consistently is home every night and weekends off, assuming you select your employer accordingly (and their business model cannot change). In order to get that at an airline you'd need lots of seniority, typically a whole lot.

The other notable is more *interesting* flying is available in some non-airline jobs.

But if you just want stability, schedule flexibility, and money airlines are obviously the way to go right now. Assuming you can do overnight trips.

My perspective: I did regionals for flexibility while serving in mil reserves (my corporate buddies in private ops understandably weren't able to bang out for a month or three each year for mil). For a long time I assumed I'd join my buds in corporate after the mil, but the mil is almost over, I'm at a legacy, and the tea leaves say stay for sure. I'm calling it like I see it. Not an airline fan because I'm an airline guy, I'm an airline guy because that looks good right now.

I'm beating this drum because there are non-airline folks who may not fully appreciate what's out there. Like 9-to-5 people... they are typically floored if I get into a detailed conversation about my pay, benefits, and time off. They just have no idea, coming from their perspective. A senior exec at my wife's job (knowing my mil background) thought I might be a good fit for a manager job they had open and approached me about it. He was right in that it would be a fit, but I would have had to take a large pay cut, work more days, and be on call 24/7 to boot. And I'm an FO...
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You need very little seniority at a major airline to have a great quality of life. What you do need is seniority in your category which currently can be obtained in under a year at most majors. You just need to resist the temptation to bid up.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:31 AM
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2 years in at legacy, commute isnt bad. Thoughts? Pay would be 175ish. Make that now as an FO. Miss flying with the same guys, airline flying is boring and lonely.
This is a joke right?????

Do you have any idea how many pilots are on the outside looking in and literally begging to be to where you are at?
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Old 02-27-2020, 10:44 AM
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This is a joke right?????

Do you have any idea how many pilots are on the outside looking in and literally begging to be to where you are at?
legacy indocs are starting literally every week now somewhere, go apply
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Old 02-27-2020, 05:00 PM
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legacy indocs are starting literally every week now somewhere, go apply
With all due respect, it’s still incredibly competitive. I’ve been applying for almost a decade.
And hiring may be slowing down a lot in the next few months. All legacies still have thousands of qualified applicants with apps on file.
Best of luck in your decision.
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And then, just like that, the Coronavirus popped up and hiring at the legacies stopped. This won’t last forever though, 6-12 months tops before the hysteria fades and the flying resume.

one interesting question will be how rich folks get into private aviation to protect themselves from the germs transmitted by the flying public? This will likely drive salaries in the corporate sector even higher.

i would suggest that you go and talk to that corporate outfit and see what they offer you. Total remuneration package, hard days off per month, and additional duty expectations are all things you should consider before you make a decision. As others have said, that great corporate gig can go away in a moment and you work at the whim of the current owner/ceo.

in the present environment, your legacy might be willing to offer a volunteer furlough. You could go scratch the corporate itch for a couple of years then return to you place at the legacy.

best of luck, and let us know what you decided.
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Old 03-05-2020, 06:59 PM
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And then, just like that, the Coronavirus popped up and hiring at the legacies stopped. This won’t last forever though, 6-12 months tops before the hysteria fades and the flying resume.
As of today, this statement is false. The only legacy that stopped hiring is United.
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Old 03-06-2020, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Armyguy View Post
its a fortune 100 company if that makes any difference with a long track record in corp aviation


I’d say the fact that they have a job opening in this market speaks volumes. I did corporate at a fortune 100 company and left for a legacy. Best decision I ever made. Good luck with your decision!


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Old 03-08-2020, 09:58 PM
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I’ve been at my legacy carrier for 27 years and in my entire career, I have only met one guy who left for a corporate job. In that same time, I’ve flown with countless guys/gals who came from corporate.

As everyone has said, there are good corporate gigs out there. However, the ones that would even come close to a legacy carrier can probably be counted on one hand.

185 grand to start is great money, however everyone here is making well above that in their second to third year. Unless that pay is going to double for you over the next 10 years, and give you 17% DC, then you’re making a horrible financial decision.

In regards to the making friends or the overnights. I have several friends with whom I flown with, trained with, sim’d with, or just started a BS conversation in the crew room with. In my opinion if you’re not making friends at your airline, I’d probably figure out why. Additionally, my understanding of corporate is that if the boss or any of the executives decide you’re not for them, then you’re gone. There’s absolutely no way on earth you could get me to take a job to where I’d have to kiss the bosses a** to ensure I keep my job.

As to going to the same places. I’d far rather go to the same place and stay at the Marriott or Hilton over, going to the middle of Wyoming in the middle of the winter and staying at the local Hampton Inn.

Another thing to consider is with your airline job, you’ll never have be a housekeeper. You’ll never vacuum the floor, serve the catering, service a toilet, and pick up grandma from the nursing home to go on vacation or whatever else they do. I hear stories about corporate guys and some of the crap they do and I always wonder why they even trained themselves to fly a jet if they’re going to service a toilet. That’s the equivalent of having a surgeon mop the floor, or a pro athlete clean up the stands after a game. Just incredible that guys actually do this stuff.
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2 years in at legacy, commute isnt bad. Thoughts? Pay would be 175ish. Make that now as an FO. Miss flying with the same guys, airline flying is boring and lonely.
I just retired from 31 years of flying for a major Cargo operation, I had about 10 years of Corporate flying experience and now I am back to flying Corporate, the BIG deal with airline flying is SENIORITY and your life and pay does get better and better with each progression you make in Seniority .............. You will hardly if ever, get that chance flying Corporate aircraft. Yes, the company can get rid of the Corporate airplane at ANY time it makes no sense to the bean counters OR the Boss ceases to exist. So ......... give this a hard long and serious thought man. You only get ONE CHANCE to cut your path in your flying career, make the most out of it ............. BE ALL YOU CAN BE !!! Dont worry about flying with your buds all the time, the bigger rewards after you retire and you look back will be that you stayed the course and made the best effort going forward.
I missed flying with my old buds in the previous Corporate flying world , the Big Fish in the Small bowl effect has its comfort level BUT when you are the Small Fish in the Large Bowl , there is much more to gain ...................
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I just retired from 31 years of flying for a major Cargo operation, I had about 10 years of Corporate flying experience and now I am back to flying Corporate, the BIG deal with airline flying is SENIORITY and your life and pay does get better and better with each progression you make in Seniority .............. You will hardly if ever, get that chance flying Corporate aircraft. Yes, the company can get rid of the Corporate airplane at ANY time it makes no sense to the bean counters OR the Boss ceases to exist. So ......... give this a hard long and serious thought man. You only get ONE CHANCE to cut your path in your flying career, make the most out of it ............. BE ALL YOU CAN BE !!! Dont worry about flying with your buds all the time, the bigger rewards after you retire and you look back will be that you stayed the course and made the best effort going forward.
I missed flying with my old buds in the previous Corporate flying world , the Big Fish in the Small bowl effect has its comfort level BUT when you are the Small Fish in the Large Bowl , there is much more to gain ...................
Until you get furloughed on Oct 1, 2020.
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