Logging SIC in a CJ1 and CJ2
09-27-2007, 12:56 PM
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Logging SIC in a CJ1 and CJ2
My understanding is that the CJ1 and CJ2 SP are both Single Pilot Jets. my question is for those of you who fly those jets. If you are sitting right seat in a CJ1 and not type rated, how do you log time if you cant log it as SIC or PIC since one is not required?
09-27-2007, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CHayes1126
My understanding is that the CJ1 and CJ2 SP are both Single Pilot Jets. my question is for those of you who fly those jets. If you are sitting right seat in a CJ1 and not type rated, how do you log time if you cant log it as SIC or PIC since one is not required?
You're not typed, you're not required, you don't log it.
However, if the PIC is also a CFI, you may be able to log dual received.
09-27-2007, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CHayes1126
You cant even log it as total time? Why would anyone want to fly right seat in a CJ1 or 2 if they cant log it?
It's still a good source of experience.
09-27-2007, 07:13 PM
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What about the PIC?
Is the PIC approved for single pilot ops? (C525S rating on his certificate) If not, then they are required to have an SIC. This means you would be acting as a required crewmember.
C525 Type Rated PIC-----Needs an SIC to fly
C525S Type Rated PIC-----Can fly single pilot
C525 Type Rated PIC-----Needs an SIC to fly
C525S Type Rated PIC-----Can fly single pilot
Last edited by GauleyPilot; 09-27-2007 at 07:28 PM.
09-27-2007, 08:15 PM
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I would say that if the PIC agrees, that for part 91 legs log it as Dual received. Ofcourse the PIC will need to be an ATP to do so, unless they're a CFI. But Gauley is correct. The Citation series only have single pilot waivers, which requires the pilot to demonstrate single pilot skills. The aircraft itself is not single pilot certified.
09-28-2007, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziggy
I would say that if the PIC agrees, that for part 91 legs log it as Dual received. Ofcourse the PIC will need to be an ATP to do so, unless they're a CFI. But Gauley is correct. The Citation series only have single pilot waivers, which requires the pilot to demonstrate single pilot skills. The aircraft itself is not single pilot certified.
As for the SP Citation ratings, some of the Citation line is certified for single pilot operations (aircraft wise), others are not.
IIRC, the Mustang, CJ1, and CJ2 are single pilot certified from the get go. The Citation 500 series (Bravo, Ultra, Encore), and the CJ3 all have SP waivers.
