Koch Industries Pilot Position KICT
 

anyone know much about them??

Pay, QOL, Schedule????


http://koch.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/c/high...i?jobID=335282

If you call them, its pronounced "coke."

Its Wichita living, which means, great place to raise a family, kinda quiet if you're single.

I know of a couple of pilots that worked for them and did not like it very well. Unfortunately, I do not know why they did not like it. Employees joke that Koch stands for "Keeping Old Charley Happy."

up again
 

I drug this thread up after all this time, because the pilot job listed below keeps coming up in Wichita over and again. Third or fourth time this year. Anyone know the inside scoop on this job? Adding a Challenger soon, is one rumor I have heard. Koch is a huge company with global flight ops.


Pilot for Koch Industries (Wichita)

The wife of a friend of mine works very high up in the accounting department in Wichita for Koch. He is a former Air Force C130 pilot, former LCC captain, former major airline pilot, and has 3 or 4 General Aviation jet type ratings, AND he lives in Wichita, but can't get on. Apparently, they are very picky.

Wow. Koch Industries has a patriarchal style, and they are famous for right-end political activity as well. Maybe he doesn't meet their comfort level since pilots are close to the brass. That would explain their having to heavily advertise a job that normally you would not have to advertise for at all.

Lots of news about these guys in the past days. Seem really happy to want to over throw the government and stay as rich as possible.

Sounds like a job with them would always involve walking on eggshells.

My guess is they are hiring and firing pilots as an almost weekly affair. Most corporations with 6-8 jets can staff the flight department without having to advertise externally at all. Corporate flight departments tend to be known in the pilot community, and a name itself is usually more than enough to draw resumes. The only time you see an ad is when they are trying to comply with unfair hiring practices and an ad will pop up and disappear in the internal job board. Going public and staying there like this is pretty unusual.

I love the position summary!

This is so critical, I am glad that they want us thinking about this stuff. I am going to write this down some where.

Good company and equipment. But like Cubdriver said, you had better call it 'coke'.

I alway thought that spelling was "cook" not "coke."

@ Controlled Rest:

This represents a job specification written by a human resources generalist that uses "Frankenstein" sentence fragments listed in the Dictionary of Occupational Titles...rather than consulting with the Director of Aviation for a professionally written, cogent, pertinent description of the position.

Opinion: This either signals a perfunctory management style on the part of the Aviation Department or a substandard relationship between the Aviation Department and the "Mother Ship." This is a red flag for anyone seeking employment with any company who follows this practice.

Applied several times with an internal rec. and nothing.

I love reading pilot ads that were written by HR people. Hilarious!

"Push the buttons and flip the switches. Operate the gadgets while observing the dials and lights. Move the levers and pedals.":)

One of the Koch pilots contacted me and said those jobs opened up because of recent growth within the Koch flight department, not because of anything overly negative. He said it is a comfortable job and that he is happy to be working for Koch. He is a regular APC'er and an old acquaintance of these boards, so he can be taken as reliable. I am happy to hear the pilots like working there and I'll apply when my own resume seems up to it.

Did he say what it takes to get a response from HR?

I know someone who's worked there for a while now and seems to enjoy it from what i can tell by chatting with him fwiw

Now THAT"S funny, I don't care who ya are!! :)

Bump- this job is still open and actively advertised here.

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It seems that the original link shows a position open in Atlanta too.
A Challenger 300 position in ICT sounds like it is right up your alley Cub! :D
maybe I should stop by on my next trip up through the area!

USMCFLYR

That would be a real step up for me with only 1200 hours, but corporate flight departments are Part 91 and they can use anyone they want. I certainly have the looks! :) I put in for one of the related jobs they are advertising in the flight department (dispatcher) and maybe if that worked out I could eventually obtain a right seat pilot slot.

They have a big fleet. 2 - Challenger 300s, 3 - G150s, 1 - Falcon 2000, 5 - Lear 45s, 1 - Lear 31.

Good to know...I'd sure love to have a job flying for these guys in Atlanta in the G150. Applied, it'll be more than a pleasant surprise if they call.

They are the brothers that own the largest privately held company in the US. They are paying to bus Tea Party people into Madison for the anti-union protests. They are also trying to break the unions in other states.

So, don't go on about your union affiliations in the interview, is what I would suggest!

cliff
DXB

For what ALPA did for us at Midex, I would be happy to take my chances at a non-union outfit !!!!!!

They are not a non-union outfit....they are a rabidly ANTI-union outfit. They are anti labor, anti environment, anti just about anything that stands in the of making another buck.

Looks like the 300 gig has been filled...... Only the G150 job in ATL now listed on their HR page.....

Funny I have met some EX TWA guys who feel like you do. Guess not everyone is happy with ALPA

I don't know anyone who is happy with ALPA. They are a big reason why I left the airlines for a corporate job. Now I get to negotiate my own pay and benefits and I am making more and working less than I did before.

Ditto. Any outfit that is anti-union is alright with me!

Provided the guy you work for is decent, then union is not needed. Unfortunately not the case in many circumstances.

On another note, this job just popped up and I see there are several guys who seem to be in the known for this flight department. My question is, What is the pay?? How many guys are crewed /plane and therefore what is the companies view on pilot monthly utilization i.e 18 days/month.

Thanks

Pay is in the ball park with all the big salary studies, as far as being a pilot, other duties not factored in. 1 hard day off per month, can be pulled. You ask about the companies view on pilot utilization, be proficient in Word, PowerPoint, Excel, etc.

They have:

(2) Challenger 300
(3) G-150
(5) Learjet 45

So are they asking you to do manuals? or aviation study projects and make presentations??? or is it basically when you ain't flying, you're in the office assisting with admin duties, whatever they may need at the time.

I don't work for Koch, however, I do work for a large Flight Department in the Midwest. When you mention anti-enviroment, that is very interesting. I know nothing about Koch's flight department, although, like many other large departments they probably treat you quite well. I do have perspective to speak from as I have been in 4 different pilot unions (Multiple ALPA's and an independent). What I have learned from my current company is that when they treat you very well, take safety seriously, and see you as a valuable assest, then a union is not neccesary.

So back to my original point; you say anti-environment as though, if you have no union, then you are anit-environment. I have never worked in a better environment in my life than where I am now, and guess what, they are anti-union. Why? Because it is not nessecary, as we are all treated very well, therefore we work hard in return. It's not magic, the airlines and others just haven't figured this out yet.

Curious Red, what airline or airlines did you leave for the corporate world? Thx

Comair........

Doing some searching today, they have a current ad for Copilots on careerbuilder.com but nothing on their corporate hiring page. As an outsider I'm intrigued by the argument that the job must not be good if they resort to advertising it on job sites. Any current or former Koch employees willing to comment?

It is still posted:

Koch Industries, Inc: Career Page