King Air 200 Job Opening
 

King Air 200 PIC position..

2200 tt min ATP or commercial Multi instrument
ATP written Prefered
Some turbine time preferred
Must have 1st class medical
Part 91 and some 135
training and ATP rating will be paid for
40k first year with full benifits

Dallas/Fort Worth TX

Call
Stan Baker
Baker Aviation
817-781-7692

Is the total time requirement negotiable with more than "some" turbine experience and a modicum of BE20 time?

2000 hrs min... its proably negotable..i will have to contact insurance to make sure

2000 TT and $40K per/yr is a JOKE. Save it for the EX MESA pilots, you paid over $90K and worked for years to get where you are!

Branded...lets do some math.....simple grade school math....assume you are a new captain at a regional airline.. 60K annual is a good rough estimate of what you would make in that situation...now lets take your annual salay of 60k and divide it by the total hours your going to make in that year......lets say your going to work 800 hours a year at that airline..so essentially $75.per hour for that amount of work.now lets take the common fact that the corprate pilot will work 350 hours a year (which is what we are prospected to fly this year) and make 40k during that year....that comes to $114.00 per hour...if you can do basic math you will easily see that i am offering far better than the airline hourly pay...now lets add in expenses on the road...which are ALL paid for, healthcare benifits (which might i add are far better than ANY airline), yearly bounus, and paid vacation...in addition the option to have profit sharing options at years end....i would appriciate it if you knew the FACTS before you made negitive comments..lets keep this professional and not regress to the childhood pre k state that you made your comments in...thanks in advance :)

$40K doesn't pay the bills, I want the young ones to realize that. Unless you like living at home with the parents, or are independently wealthy. CBP for example pays $60K a year for a King Air pilot. I don't have a single thing against your operation, but the pay is not reasonable for a professional aviator.

Split your hourly wage any way you care, but these guys invested over $50K for the ratings. Starting pay for almost any college graduate far surpasses that.

Now on the issue of the underpaid majors/regionals - that doesn't make it right either.

No offense, but you're preaching to the wrong crowd here. You may want consider posting this on bizavcentral where people may actually pay attention. Good luck on finding a worthy candidate.

Disregard......................................... ..........................

This coming from an Embraer pilot on reserve?

Gotta love the internet!- nobody works for less that 250K, even in a POS EMB145.

:rolleyes:

Corporate dudes usually have additional duties besides just flying the 350 hr and the regionals have exploited pilots for generations under the guise that “we’re paying you with experience. so this is a apples vs oranges comparison. $68-72K would be a fair range.

Actually for all you RJ drivers, SBaker is pretty much on track. A low time King Air 200 pilot (and 2000TT IS low time in the 91/135 world at the same time 6000 is high time...most people dont get hired with wet commercial ratings in that industry). What does a 2000 hr Ameriflight pilot make? I know a few king air carriers here in So Cal that start around 40K. 40K in TX goes a lot farther and not to mention all the other stuff, and sometimes lucky to get medical. King Airs are a blast to fly and are bullet proof. Its a 12,500 plane so no type required for PIC turbine in a high alt plane. Short hops, but capable of longer ones if Mr. Baker likes hearing his engines. A year or 2 on one and you'll have no prob getting a bigger plane if you want. I met a C550 capt today that gave up flying a G450 for a part 91 citation because he wanted a plane he could fly, not watch the autopilot for 8 hrs. Sure the big boys are fun to fly at first but we got into this to fly planes.
Besides Im sure he (and the insurance co) would rather put in a T-prop guy like Ameriflight than an RJ driver.
PS thanks for not posting this for the public and not just on other pay to play site.

not to mention probably half the people in my type class had king air time. It's the rj/brasilia/be-1900 of corporate aviation. Start with that and then move up.....

40K for a BE200 PIC is still low ball, no matter how you slice it. 10 years ago it *might* have been *OK*..............2008.....not so much.

yes 40K isnt THAT great esp in LA where you need 2 6 figure incomes to have any real 'QOL', but for a first real job beyond time building...ie boxes, cfi, banner towing, traffic watch etc etc.... even RJ driving is time building now @ 16-20K/yr how can someone afford anything, living on reserve in crash pads, if you are lucky enough to hold a line you are a god! Around 40K is the start in corporate SIC or PIC T-prop non-typed unless you want to go buy a gulfstream type for 30K, then again ATPs is 2x that now for seminole time. Most places want ATP mins to even be considered for SIC. PIC king air 200 will take who ever is lucky enough to get this job very far..
Btw even though it is a 200, the insurance company will probably want the pilot to go to school on the plane or have time in type so there's are extra expense for the boss 1st year, pay out of ass for insurance, school and/or get time in type... maybe if Baker likes you, you get a raise the second year since it wouldnt be as expensive for the owner.

If you pay minimum than you get minimum. That being said $40k for a 2000 hr Captain in a King Air PIC is pretty normal. You may not make it to an airport everytime you leave but your goal was minimum experience for min pay. If your experience bag fills before your luck bag empties some time down the road you will have an experienced pilot and will probably pay him/her more or he/she will leave and you can try you luck again with the next low time pilot you can find.

$40k = 2000 hr PIC = You might not bend metal?
$70k = 5000+ hr PIC = You probably won't bend metal.

That being said I started as Captain in a B200 with 2300hrs(800 SIC B200) and despite all my best attempts, did not kill myself or anyone seated near me! 16 years ago that paid $30k and Jet A cost $1.60/gal!

Good Luck!

Not wanting to be mean or rude to anyone. Your pilot job is
a 70K to 85K / year job. You may be able to get a lower time pilot with ME and Inst. rating gaining experience and building flight time for 40K. You get what you pay for but everyone has to start somewhere. I worked for 12K first year. Many years ago. Good luck in your search.

I live in Dallas, A few more peso's and I would apply myself. PM me if it's in the 70k range. I have more t-prop hours than you can shake a stick at.

Flight time is such a relative thing. What matters the most is the background in which the pilot came from. Why would you hire a pilot who was not competent. In the end you should pay based on what your expectations are. Hopefully your expections would be the same for any pilot. If not, you're only setting yourself up for failure.

so its ok to make 20k flying a 70 seat RJ you wont even see 40k till probably 3rd year pay. Im sure that Baker is not looking for Chuck Yeager maybe a young guy looking to build QUALITY PIC TIME that will use this offer as a stepping stone not a career. Myself being from Texas I can tell you this is pretty typical low end pay around here for this type of job, then again they are not asking for 5000 hours. You can live fairly comfortably on that kind of salary. Then again depends on what you consider comfortable. where else can you make more than 40k with 2000 hours TT and no type? I do agree you get what you pay for, maybe as i stated above that is all they are looking for.

Owned..... :D

btw FYI for all of you giving me a hard time for the pay rate and whatnot. i didnt determine the rate...thats just what the boss man told me to offer.....i am the right seater in this plane, the insurance is set up for two pilots at all time, i wish i had the flight time to accept the position but im a low timer and theres no way in hell you could get a 600 hr pilot insured in the thing single pilot.

Sbaker1595,

what kind of trips : overnights or day trips ?
what kind of training : in house or simuflight / FSI ?
how much notice before trips ? (is it on pager 24/7?)
where in DFW ? is it FTW (817 area code?)
what other duties besides flying (+all pre/post flights duties)
thanks

some overnights, mostly day trips..... Sentient Flight Group indoc and Simuflite for training, whats a pager??? if i had one of those then i couldnt ever have a beeR!! fort worth meacham based at Texas jet...other duties??you mean like sleeping?? were pilots not accounts or desk jockeys :) shoot me a resume if your interested.. [email protected] get it to me quick because im not accepting any more after today

Tell Stan to pony up about $12K more per year and he will get some quality candidates that he might be able to retain for awhile. Just out of curiosity, what does he pay his BE20 FOs? What year is this King Air?

the position has been filled...thank you all for your intrest and help

No comment?

"Owned" huh?

I am RJ pilot, and not even close to being on reserve, nor did I furlough or downgrade. My flying began in the Navy through the Tactical Jet/Strike training program in Beeville, Texas. I choose this company for it's reasonable pay rates, (which are well above yours and still hard to live with) and location in proximity to my home in Corpus Christi.

My message: I hate to see guys take low paying jobs, not being totally educated on the situation. A college educated PILOT deserves far better, yet the airlines have slashed pay below that of a CFI... and now we see the corporate side do it also. Had you paid better, your pool of qualified applicants would be deeper and of higher quality, and likely would see lower turnover with higher morale.

I got $40.00 a hour at a part 141 school as a CFI/MEI (on active duty), and our full time CFI's made more than the King Air offer. In my location tips that matched the hourly rate were common, especially when our customer combined a vacation with new certificates (under time constraints).


I just love the attitude of the poster as well... your maturity and respect "shine" with comments such as "OWNED" when you do not hold the background knowledge of the person you are talking trash to.
Just saying....

OK.

How much did you make upon starting at your regional? Please dont tell us its not a regional, but SWIFT?

qualify for food stamps? less than a Mcdonalds drive-thru technician? but this was different how?

Why do people care if the job is low paying or entry level? Its a king air job that might be a stepping stone to something else.....as Im sure thats your arguement for flying for an RJ for downright comical wages.

If you don't like the job, dont apply!

Believe me - I (or many others here) would never apply for your job if its under 150K, but I really dont think your are lowering the bar for me at all...you are just working on a career. Best of Luck.

An RJ pilot lecturing us about working for low wages...only on the internet folks.

:confused:

The boss man is your dad, Stan.

So tell us what you plan on doing to the PIC once you reach 2000 TT? You going to fire him?

Your flying began in the Navy, was it ever complete? Your leadership and professionalism do not exactly strike me as that of a naval aviator. Perhaps I am misreading your tone.

With thousands of professional aviators on the street, $40K living in TX may be exactly what a furloughed or fired pilot needs. Everyone has different needs. If the shoe fits they should wear it. Is this job right for me.....no. If someone can turn $40K into keeping the lights turned on and feeding the kids, then it is a fair wage (it can be done).

Enjoy your EMB while you still have it and hopefully you won't have to decide on whether you will wait for the unemployment check vs. taking that King Air job to pay the bills.

Welcome to aviation.

oh boy oh boy

Well said agreed

THE BE20 FO is the owners son and makes much more than the PIC....lol

does this baker corporation have a website for the dfw location cuz i cant find it online if th ere is one.

Ladies and gentlemen...a word to the wise: Aviation is a mighty small community. The person you flame here today may be your chief pilot tomorrow.

The bridge you burn may be your own.

Sheesh, that got heated. I still have to chime in. I'm a King Air 200 Pilot and I make 45k/year. +great med and a minor bonus. I thought that was pretty good for a King Air. I've been doing it for three years now. I've got about 2500 hours, of which most of it has been in this plane. FSI initial and recurrents. Are you guys serious that you wouldn't take a job for under 125k/ year? The only problem I see, is that it's hard to move up. I have no jet time. I'm not going to take a huge pay cut and go to the airlines just for jet time, and corp-jet operators won't talk to me because I have no jet time. DISCRIMINATION!! Airplane are aiplanes. Send me to school and I'll fly it for ya. Right? If you can't "get the hang" of a different machine, than you shouldn't be in this line of work.

Baker's Math
 

(I know this thread is old, but...)

According to this guy, you should be happy with this job because the HOURLY RATE is relatively high.

Unfortunately, HOURLY RATES don't necessarily pay the bills, MONTHLY AND YEARLY SALARIES do! The only way his math makes ANY sense is if the pilot-employee is given enough free time from the $40k per year job to make up the difference doing something else. If not, it's just a lower-paying job, period.

I wouldn't trust a shell-game artist like this to balance my checkbook, much less be my boss.

It's not a bad gig for a younger guy with no responsibility. Should it pay more?.. yes.. does it? .. No.. OK.. let's end this thread and move on :rolleyes:

I want to know what NBAA says a PIC BE200 pilot is worth. What I do know is that a CE550 SIC is worth aroung 45,000 a year. So I doubt the boss in a BE200 is worth less than that.

just some info.....NBAA average is 60k to 75K for a king air 200 Capt. I am a current 200 Capt. for a part 91 flight department and started at 65k flying about 450hrs a year.......