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03-08-2009, 05:11 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Corporate
Posts: 222
So, what does the guy do? What are his actions that are unsafe? As stated before, you are the captain... you were hired to be the Captain/Chief pilot and are the one the owner has entrusted his and his families safety with.
Maybe you can come up with some sort of ops manual and get the boss to sign off on it. Make everything in it about safety, then when your co-pilot does something unsafe just pull out the manual. Also, if its a single pilot plane and you can operate it that way, then do so. Every leg is the captains leg. Remember... the F.O. flys at the captains convenience.
Bottom line..... you're in charge. Dont let the guy push you around and cause you to get fired..... then again, maybe thats what he is trying to do.
Maybe you can come up with some sort of ops manual and get the boss to sign off on it. Make everything in it about safety, then when your co-pilot does something unsafe just pull out the manual. Also, if its a single pilot plane and you can operate it that way, then do so. Every leg is the captains leg. Remember... the F.O. flys at the captains convenience.
Bottom line..... you're in charge. Dont let the guy push you around and cause you to get fired..... then again, maybe thats what he is trying to do.
03-08-2009, 07:30 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: Hawker 700/Citation Cpt. On the corner of 6th and Elm St.
Posts: 10
Send him in for a upgrade to the left seat and tell the school all the details and let them try to train him and hopefully after he keeps crashing the sim, and with his training records, you can have some good info to can him..
Lynn
Lynn
03-09-2009, 08:38 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: BE9,10,20
Posts: 124
Wow, I can not believe some of the advice being giving here.
You do not need to stab him in the back. All that will do is get one of you fired and both of you on edge with each other.
Be an adult, sit him down, and talk to him about the problem. Have a rational conversation that goes both ways. Listen to his opinion also.
If that doesn't change anything then go to the aircraft owner and once again talk about the problem.
If neither of these fix the problem than perhaps it is time to re-evaluate your current job.
You do not need to stab him in the back. All that will do is get one of you fired and both of you on edge with each other.
Be an adult, sit him down, and talk to him about the problem. Have a rational conversation that goes both ways. Listen to his opinion also.
If that doesn't change anything then go to the aircraft owner and once again talk about the problem.
If neither of these fix the problem than perhaps it is time to re-evaluate your current job.
Last edited by kerns bbo; 03-09-2009 at 09:57 AM.
03-09-2009, 09:46 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 10
Originally Posted by Formerbuspilot
So, what does the guy do? What are his actions that are unsafe? As stated before, you are the captain... you were hired to be the Captain/Chief pilot and are the one the owner has entrusted his and his families safety with.
Maybe you can come up with some sort of ops manual and get the boss to sign off on it. Make everything in it about safety, then when your co-pilot does something unsafe just pull out the manual. Also, if its a single pilot plane and you can operate it that way, then do so. Every leg is the captains leg. Remember... the F.O. flys at the captains convenience.
Bottom line..... you're in charge. Dont let the guy push you around and cause you to get fired..... then again, maybe thats what he is trying to do.
Maybe you can come up with some sort of ops manual and get the boss to sign off on it. Make everything in it about safety, then when your co-pilot does something unsafe just pull out the manual. Also, if its a single pilot plane and you can operate it that way, then do so. Every leg is the captains leg. Remember... the F.O. flys at the captains convenience.
Bottom line..... you're in charge. Dont let the guy push you around and cause you to get fired..... then again, maybe thats what he is trying to do.
his unsafe actions include not maintaining centerline(like entire plane left or right) bust altitude constantly by 150', wrong crosswind corrections, full scale ILS on LOC and GS. The biggest thing is that he just doesnt listen to me. If I try and tell him something it is usually meant with an sarcastic response or he will try and blame his mistake on me. Sometimes he will just quit flying all together if I try and correct him. One time I denied him an takeoff due to weather and waketurb. and he completly shutdown. No radios, no checklist, no call outs, nothing just stared out his window for the 2 hour flight to home base...if i could only fire him
03-09-2009, 10:24 AM
#17
First Rule of Fight Club
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: My seat smells like cat pee
Posts: 1,536
Document EVERYTING with dates, flight numbers, passenger lists, and full descriptions of what happened. Bring it up to the owner and show him your concerns. If this doesn't work (I know its hard) look into being the whistle blower on this one.
03-09-2009, 10:43 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,919
Originally Posted by atpsr22
Any Ideas how to get rid of a fulltime co-pilot that is sometimes unsafe and driving me nuts but is a close friend with the owners of the plane.
part 91 corp flight department
Im the captain and xyz is the co-pilot but has been with the company longer. Last Captain quit to pursue non aviation related career but mentioned this '' problem" to me.
Thanks and fly safe.
and driving me nuts but is a close friend with the owners of the plane.part 91 corp flight department
Im the captain and xyz is the co-pilot but has been with the company longer. Last Captain quit to pursue non aviation related career but mentioned this '' problem" to me.
Thanks and fly safe.
That should do it.
03-09-2009, 01:28 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
Originally Posted by DeadHead
Next time he lands put your hand on his shoulder and tell him you like the way he handles the stick.
That should do it.
That should do it.
Ha!! I did that once with a new FO who had just finished OE. He was so scared to screw up he didn't say a word besides the check lists. So about third leg, when I had my hand on the the throttles I told him to put his hand on mine. Needless to say he started talking.
03-09-2009, 07:15 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
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Also, This co-pilot is logging all of the time that he is in the airplane as SIC. Is this legal, being that its a single pilot certified turbo prop and im the PIC in the left seat, Part 91, and Im not a CFI giving "dual"????
