Thread from the Dead
 

This thread started in July of 2006.

4000 feet of runway with a load on a regular basis is a tight for a premier.

Fuel Flow--1200 first hour, 1000 next hour. (Some plan 900 the third hour).

12500 MGTOW
10000 Max Zero Fuel
Typical empty weight of 8400 lbs.

Runway example. 1000 ft. elevation 12,500 lbs. 30 Celcius

Flaps 10--5,138 feet
Flaps 20--5,186 feet

Landing Distance, same conditions, 11000lbs. Dry Runway.
3,303 feet

SOURCE OF INFO---Premier Pilot's Checklist

Did anyone say 'Piaggio'? The best bang for the buck all around. 375TAS ACTUAL figures, 1300-1400nm range and a quiet, large cabin. 20kts faster then a Citation II on 50% of the fuel. Good runway numbers and excellent DOCs (somewhere around what a King Air 300 costs.) It's a great bird with lots of ramp appeal. It's single pilot and really a sweet ride all around. Best of all, it's not 30 years old.

We should put that on the 'reply' checklist. I never thought to look. *** brought it back? I put about 45 seconds of thought into it...it made me work. :eek:

DOC's are great until you start paying for Mx, guy in the next office to mine flies one for a local company, and I know how much it's in the shop getting some expensive parts replaced.

Not saying it isn't a thoroughbred, but there are some tradeoff's. I've ridden in it once and was blown away by it's performance, but as I mentioned Mx could eat you.

Pay4 driver
 

PAY4 340-350 tas at fl280-310...lowest fuel burn i have seen is 77gph total at fl390 and 285 tas there...

Cheyenne 2 is a good bird that is faster than a king air 90 but smaller inside.

I see controller has a 400ls for sale for 659k and needs props...but if you are part 91...tbo is only a suggestion...the problem is dowty props have a year limit.

I don't know from experience, but I've heard that the Piaggio sets off the noise abatement sensors at the departure end of airports like Santa Monica regardless of pilot technique. They don't seem that loud to me though. Perhaps whoever told me that was full of it...

I live under the approach to HOU (about 4 miles outside ROYCE). The only aircraft I ever take notice of are the lifeguard helos at or below 500 feet and the Piaggios at or above 2000.

Question for those in the know:
- You are flying in a CJ3, or other turbine, that may be flown single-pilot.
- you are single-pilot rated in it.
- so is the other pilot with you.

Can both of you log the time? Does one person log Second Pilot?

Does your operator have a flight manual signed off by a POI? Is the flight your conducting require an SIC? If your company requires it or your insurance requires it, i'd say you're fine!