Part 91 in-house flight/duty time limits
11-14-2010, 06:26 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by AKASHA
I think the simple answer is you institute 135 regs. Of course, there are all kinds of hybrid and in-between variations if you want to get complicated. But basically, if you're Part 91 and feel you are flying so much that you need some guidance on duty/flight times, then use 135.
I guess the difficult thing here becomes the question of "pop-up" flights. But there's no generic answer to that question. It depends on the flight department, their habits, the number of airplanes and so on. Yea, you might have to make yourself available 24/7.
Wow.. what a tough job we have!
I guess the difficult thing here becomes the question of "pop-up" flights. But there's no generic answer to that question. It depends on the flight department, their habits, the number of airplanes and so on. Yea, you might have to make yourself available 24/7.
Wow.. what a tough job we have!
Write all the manuals and rules you want....its all irrelevant.
Pt 91 operations are only as good as the people you are flying and the people running the department.
I know plenty of outfits with all sorts of books on the shelf full of rules and when the boss wants to break all those rules they just go along with it, scared to anger the man or lose their jobs.
Sometimes its quite a dance to get the job done (for the boss) and do it safely and humanely (for the department) - but its possible.
We largely go by FSF and NBAA guidelines for duty and rest - but we make it very clear we can accomplish ANYTHING - all its takes is tons of pilot and money.
11-15-2010, 09:44 AM
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We operate several jet aircraft part 91 and our rest consists of 14 on 10 off with exceptions for starting in a circadian low 2am - 4am = 12 hour duty. If you can get adequate rest at an FBO your 14 can extend 1 hour for every 2 of sleep opportunity you have. We can also short side the rest 7 hours (of sleep) = 7 hours of duty 8 hours (of sleep) = 8 hours of duty. 3 pilot crew can extend beyond to 18 - 20 hours of duty. Extensions require 12 hours off duty rest and 2 extensions in a row require 18 hours off duty.
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11-15-2010, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NowCorporate
Write all the manuals and rules you want....its all irrelevant.
Pt 91 operations are only as good as the people you are flying and the people running the department.
I know plenty of outfits with all sorts of books on the shelf full of rules and when the boss wants to break all those rules they just go along with it, scared to anger the man or lose their jobs.
Sometimes its quite a dance to get the job done (for the boss) and do it safely and humanely (for the department) - but its possible.
Pt 91 operations are only as good as the people you are flying and the people running the department.
I know plenty of outfits with all sorts of books on the shelf full of rules and when the boss wants to break all those rules they just go along with it, scared to anger the man or lose their jobs.
Sometimes its quite a dance to get the job done (for the boss) and do it safely and humanely (for the department) - but its possible.
11-18-2010, 08:13 AM
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He's exactly right about policies and manuals. When the boss comes up front and asks you to do something outside of your "policy" theres nobody but you to answer to. Luckily in our flight dept. the boss respects us as professionals and if we say no to a flight or an airport he just says "OK you guys are the boss". However, we're always looking for ways to get the job done rather than say no. We just use common sense.
11-18-2010, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The dude
He's exactly right about policies and manuals. When the boss comes up front and asks you to do something outside of your "policy" theres nobody but you to answer to. Luckily in our flight dept. the boss respects us as professionals and if we say no to a flight or an airport he just says "OK you guys are the boss". However, we're always looking for ways to get the job done rather than say no. We just use common sense.
Agree....anything is possible and we are happy to do it! (well....
) All we need is tons of money and a lot of pilots. Position them all over the planet if you want to, whatever it takes we can do it...offer these solutions or acceptable alternates early in the planning stage.
Where the average pea-brain self titled pilot manager steps on his tiny pud is when he decides 3 days beofre the trip to take his little stand on "safety" to one of these Type A Masters of the Universe and consequently gets his a$$ (and his job?) handed to him really fast.
LOL.
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