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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3042170)
If we were concerned about 50,000 deaths we could ban cigarettes, sugar, fast food and lower the speed limit -- that would save hundreds of thousands every year.
But we don't. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3042177)
If any of the items you listed killed people as fast as COVID, absolutely we'd be doing something about it. 50,000 dead in 5 weeks? That ******* would be illegal yesterday.
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Originally Posted by OVC010CB
(Post 3042160)
To me it seems very self-absorbed to knowingly live an unhealthy lifestyle and then demand society destroy itself to avoid the consequences of previous decisions. I think there is a middle way that can be followed, locking up healthy people and children isn’t part of that. |
Originally Posted by block30
(Post 3042182)
So it's *rate* of death that we are sheltering for? What rate of death is the trigger point? It doesn't have to be to the exact digit, but ball park us.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...ping-illnesses |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3042177)
If any of the items you listed killed people as fast as COVID, absolutely we'd be doing something about it. 50,000 dead in 5 weeks? That ******* would be illegal yesterday.
If all 10% of inmates start dying every week. They think it might be food poisoning, and they die 1 week after they ate. So they stop serving food varieties and gave insanely stupid strict rules about food. Nobody likes the tase of what they eat now, some even starve and die from malnutrition. Then come to find out, actually those stats were including those inmate on death row, who also ate that food the day they died but when studies were done, they attributed the death on those on death row as food poisoning. It turns out it was more like .1% of non death row inmates died. Should they keep with the stupid strict food guidelines? Even though it seems to be harming way more than it’s helping? We need to accept death of few is worth it for a future of all. Our past fallen heroes thought so. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3042189)
Apparently 48 dead and 2300 sick is enough to force national action. Thanks for playing.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...ping-illnesses |
Originally Posted by block30
(Post 3042204)
What's with the wise cracks? That's an honest question. I'm not ok with current government impositions based on ....on....? Something arbitrary, and nebulous bad feelings? That's a bad precedent.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3042170)
Why would they just be worried about themselves? That's a fairly cynical thing to say. Any history textbook or google search would illuminate the deaths and shortened lifespans resulting from a depression. How can that be waived away?
To put it another way... your house is on fire. The firefighters have arrived and they're putting out your blazing house. But all you're worried about is water damage. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3042208)
Why you asking me? Ask your representative.
What I wonder is what the pro lock down people are asking their reps and what their calculus is, if there is a calcuclus. Furthermore if somone is going to continue pressing the case for lockdowns/quarantine it would behoove us to quantify what our trigger points are. Otherwise it's just yelling about the feelz. |
Originally Posted by block30
(Post 3042252)
Oh believe me, I have.
What I wonder is what the pro lock down people are asking their reps and what their calculus is, if there is a calcuclus. Furthermore if somone is going to continue pressing the case for lockdowns/quarantine it would behoove us to quantify what our trigger points are. Otherwise it's just yelling about the feelz. I have feelz that it won't satisfy you though.
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3042047)
This should have been our generation's moonshot. America used to be able to do amazing things, impossible things. But we're lost and divided, a shadow of our former selves. Here's how it should have gone down.
A national call to action. Part of preventing a second wave is containment of hotspots and flare ups. So when clusters breakout we can get to the source and isolate quickly. That means contact tracing. We can do that utilizing 2 ways: technology and manpower. Apple and Google are codeveloping an app that could track if you came within the vicinity of someone who later tested positive. Combine that with boots on the ground tracers and we might just prevent a second wave. We could have hired 100,000 contact tracers and put them in every town to insure this doesn't go nationwide again. Our pharmaceutical infrastructure is decimated. When and if a vaccine will be developed, we'll need hundreds of millions of doses. And we'll have to import them from other countries. I doubt we'll be a priority. We should be building massive testing and pharma labs today. Set up screenings at airports and other public places. Yes, it may not be completely effective, but it will give the public confidence. Right now, everyone is panicked out of their minds. People need to see that we're taking steps to insure their safety, or they're not going to do anything. We need people to feel confident to fly. These steps would be massive undertakings. Hard work. But seeing this sort of collaborative effort in working towards a common goal would have been unifying. I try to think what FDR would have done in this scenario. We could use someone like him right now. |
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