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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3101430)
I showed deaths going up at a slower rate than cases were going up, even allowing for the lag, and questioned if that were due to younger people getting infected, better treatment, or a mutation making the virus less pathogenic. Or all of the above. Nobody could find good enough figures to do analysis of variance and tease the actual attributable risk and improvement of treatment effectiveness out, although it was clear that the infected were trending younger.
So, I guess you couldn’t come up with a pertinent comment regarding the state deathrate issue, huh? You can't post stats in the middle of an outbreak as evidence of how good or bad something is going. It's like posting a mile split as your 10k time. You have to wait until the race is over. TX, AZ, CA, and FL are in the thick of it right now. And it's bound to get worse. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3101359)
Florida, Texas, and Arizona.... Now where do those states rate in the only truly meaningful statistic, their deathrate?
Yes, look here.... Arizona does indeed have a deathrate SLIGHTLY greater than the US average. https://i.ibb.co/NsX1PNq/5-B7-BEF07-...2-EE19-B34.jpg |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3101473)
Look man. You repeatedly do this.
You can't post stats in the middle of an outbreak as evidence of how good or bad something is going. It's like posting a mile split as your 10k time. You have to wait until the race is over. TX, AZ, CA, and FL are in the thick of it right now. And it's bound to get worse. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. |
Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
(Post 3101496)
So you’re saying things are fine in AZ, FL and Texas?
Is there something unclear to you about the data in the yellow rectangle? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3102741)
And yet you’ve been constantly doing that all along, based upon the then-existing data. Sure, this is like a horse race, the guy leading in the backfield may not be the guy who crosses the line first, but at the time it’s the only data point we have. Tell me, do you SERIOUSLY believe that in the end - whenever that end is - Tx, FL, or AZ are going to exceed the death rate for NY or NJ? I’ll concede it’s not impossible, but it’s pretty damn unlikely.
Even so, New England had the misfortune of going first and caught unprepared. Now there's talk that the Federal government team, led by Kushner, slow-walked support because the White House could lay the blame of the virus at the feet of blue state governors. From the relevant article: https://i.imgur.com/oisxyR5.png https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...-into-thin-air Negligence that led to thousands of deaths. It's the same with reopening to force everyone back to work. And now again with the schools. What will it take for people to realize that those in power don't care about them. Expendable lives to keep the machines turning. That's it. So Texas may never catch up to New York. But at least we're starting to figure out why. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3102743)
No, I said that the AZ deathrate from coronavirus is currently slightly above the national average, while those of TX and FL are currently well below it, and that TX,AZ, and Fl ALL have death rates considerably less than that of NJ, NY, MA, etc.
Is there something unclear to you about the data in the yellow rectangle? https://i.ibb.co/GHSw9w9/EXsx-I2w-Xg-AAZ9m-G.jpg |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3103439)
You might be right. The current hotspots states may never get to the level of carnage that the New England states got to. But none of us know how bad it's going to be for the southern states. If deaths track proportionally to the cases arc, then we've got at least 4 more weeks of 1000+ deaths per day. That will add a lot to the tally.
Even so, New England had the misfortune of going first and caught unprepared. Now there's talk that the Federal government team, led by Kushner, slow-walked support because the White House could lay the blame of the virus at the feet of blue state governors. From the relevant article: https://i.imgur.com/oisxyR5.png https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...-into-thin-air Negligence that led to thousands of deaths. It's the same with reopening to force everyone back to work. And now again with the schools. What will it take for people to realize that those in power don't care about them. Expendable lives to keep the machines turning. That's it. So Texas may never catch up to New York. But at least we're starting to figure out why. Edit: Mesabah beat me to it. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3103439)
You might be right. The current hotspots states may never get to the level of carnage that the New England states got to. But none of us know how bad it's going to be for the southern states. If deaths track proportionally to the cases arc, then we've got at least 4 more weeks of 1000+ deaths per day. That will add a lot to the tally.
Even so, New England had the misfortune of going first and caught unprepared. Now there's talk that the Federal government team, led by Kushner, slow-walked support because the White House could lay the blame of the virus at the feet of blue state governors. From the relevant article: https://i.imgur.com/oisxyR5.png https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...-into-thin-air Negligence that led to thousands of deaths. It's the same with reopening to force everyone back to work. And now again with the schools. What will it take for people to realize that those in power don't care about them. Expendable lives to keep the machines turning. That's it. So Texas may never catch up to New York. But at least we're starting to figure out why. But in fairness to the Northeast governors who - yes, did foul up badly - in every epidemic in recorded history - way back to Biblical times - the main driver has always been population density, so some of the horrible numbers is attributable to that alone, but the predeliction for nursing home residents was well established by the Kirkland WA cases way back in late Feb. For Cuomo to put out THAT directive nearly four weeks later was ludicrous, bordering on criminal. About 40% of NY and NJ deaths were due to nursing home acquired cases, and many of them were the direct result of putting known contagious patients into what for the corona was your classic target rich environment. And again in fairness, the median life expectancy in a nursing home before corona was only 2.2 years, ANNUAL death rates in nursing homes are about 35%, but clearly those orders hurried a number of those residents along by a bit. |
Originally Posted by CaptDave
(Post 3101472)
So, it was just debunked that Florida was fudging their numbers by showing facilities with 100% covid cases. In reality most of them were <6%. Thus, a knee jerk reaction of mandated masks was unnecessary since the reaction was based on a huge spike in cases that turns out didn’t actually happen.
let’s not forget, either, that if a person is shot and later dies, if they’re assumed to have covid, they get listed as a covid death (per CDC U07.1 ICD10 codes). The actual cause of death wasn’t actually covid. Yet, they’re listed as a covid death. How then, can we actually, in any form, trust the CDC or WHO or any state health dept for factual information regarding these “cases” or deaths? We can’t. It’s ludicrous to even rely on them or any non-expert to advise us based on their inability to provide accurate information. Fata gunshot wound to head: covid death car crash: covid death influenza A or B or pneumonia: covid death trampled in a protest: covid death Lol the size of the covid19 pandemic in Florida has to do with the raw numbers of people in Florida who test positive for infection, not what percentage of the test results are positive. You can believe all the conspiracies, just stay away from people trying to do the right thing. As far as false death classifications, those are nothing but conspiracies. I’m sure not all of them are completely due to covid and somehow associated but again picking a tiny case and running with that as how it is for it all is a mistake. It’s super hard for them to make up a global pandemic. It’s really easy to deny it though. |
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