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Old 04-23-2020, 02:35 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x

Sweden may have herd immunity in a few weeks time
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Sweden as of yesterday: 1,937 deaths...192/million.....7th highest rate worldwide

USA as of yesterday: 47,659 deaths....144/million....10th highest rate in world
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Sweden as of yesterday: 1,937 deaths...192/million.....7th highest rate worldwide

USA as of yesterday: 47,659 deaths....144/million....10th highest rate in world
Run that through a chi square and you’ll find no meaningful statistical difference there. Let alone the fact that we are retrospectively changing the cause of death to anyone who MIGHT have died with coronavirus to coronavirus.

That’s a violation of epidemiology 101. You can’t even use stats for trend analysis if you are repeatedly changing baselines and case definitions.
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Sweden as of yesterday: 1,937 deaths...192/million.....7th highest rate worldwide

USA as of yesterday: 47,659 deaths....144/million....10th highest rate in world

You'd expect Sweden to have a slightly higher death rate given than they are not trying to flatten the curve. This has the effect of shortening the life of the virus...vice trying to flatten it like the US is doing...which actually prolongs it. I think we (the US) was trying to flatten it to try to make sure the hospitals were not overwhelmed....it would never reduce the death toll or make sure people dont get it.....unless complete isolation...which is not reality.
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You'd expect Sweden to have a slightly higher death rate given than they are not trying to flatten the curve. This has the effect of shortening the life of the virus...vice trying to flatten it like the US is doing...which actually prolongs it. I think we (the US) was trying to flatten it to try to make sure the hospitals were not overwhelmed....it would never reduce the death toll or make sure people dont get it.....unless complete isolation...which is not reality.
Hospitals being overwhelmed would have raised the death toll. That’s what it was all about
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Hospitals being overwhelmed would have raised the death toll. That’s what it was all about
21% of New York City residents have already been infected per today's antibody studies. Good luck social distancing!

I think Sweden includes COVID-19 deaths from hospitals and from nursing homes. I don't think every country does that.
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Run that through a chi square and you’ll find no meaningful statistical difference there. Let alone the fact that we are retrospectively changing the cause of death to anyone who MIGHT have died with coronavirus to coronavirus.

That’s a violation of epidemiology 101. You can’t even use stats for trend analysis if you are repeatedly changing baselines and case definitions.
I agree...that was the point....
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Run that through a chi square and you’ll find no meaningful statistical difference there. Let alone the fact that we are retrospectively changing the cause of death to anyone who MIGHT have died with coronavirus to coronavirus.

That’s a violation of epidemiology 101. You can’t even use stats for trend analysis if you are repeatedly changing baselines and case definitions.
I agree with the statistics part....as for the cause of death listings, I have read comments arguing that they are either inflated or grossly undercounted. I don’t have the knowledge to know which is correct. Possibly errors in both directions? As such, I am neutral as to what claims about causes to believe.
For what it’s worth, NYC Health website lists Coronas deaths as confirmed and probable. I have noticed that only the confirmed number shows up in the CDC stats.
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Originally Posted by MiLtoMajor123 View Post
You'd expect Sweden to have a slightly higher death rate given than they are not trying to flatten the curve. This has the effect of shortening the life of the virus...vice trying to flatten it like the US is doing...which actually prolongs it. I think we (the US) was trying to flatten it to try to make sure the hospitals were not overwhelmed....it would never reduce the death toll or make sure people dont get it.....unless complete isolation...which is not reality.
New York's new daily cases are definitely slowing down:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=12...4dUDCAw&uact=5

Sweden's new infecitons are not slowing down, as of 22 April:
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Run that through a chi square and you’ll find no meaningful statistical difference there. Let alone the fact that we are retrospectively changing the cause of death to anyone who MIGHT have died with coronavirus to coronavirus.

That’s a violation of epidemiology 101. You can’t even use stats for trend analysis if you are repeatedly changing baselines and case definitions.
Thank you! Somebody gets it! Hospitals have two codes for COVID-19 deaths, a “hard” code meaning the person was tested positive and a “soft” code meaning the person died of “coronavirus like” symptoms but was never tested. The death counts total both hard and soft codes so the numbers are WAY over inflated. More scaremongering. Why are the flu deaths proportionally DECREASING with an increase in COVID-19 deaths? Does the flu not exist anymore all of sudden...
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