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Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3080917)
Of course there's been 10 times more infections than confirmed. We were so behind on testing during that first month and half that unless you were dying, you couldn't get one.
So we have 2.3 million confirmed cases, that would mean 23 million estimated cases in the United States. That would also jive with a 0.5% case fatality rate. This is good news, but don't oversell it. We still have 306 million more people to go. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3080917)
Of course there's been 10 times more infections than confirmed. We were so behind on testing during that first month and half that unless you were dying, you couldn't get one.
So we have 2.3 million confirmed cases, that would mean 23 million estimated cases in the United States. That would also jive with a 0.5% case fatality rate. This is good news, but don't oversell it. We still have 306 million more people to go. Agree with the above posts. The actual death rate from COVID is absolutely dramatically lower than anything currently being reported. As said, getting a test in some states up til even June was near impossible unless you were extremely sick. Not that we will likely ever know, but assuming the virus was already state side in say late December/early Jan purely for arguments sake...the actual number of people who have already had it, never known, and fully recovered would be staggering and further dropping the mortality rate. I recall a month or two ago they interviewed some state medical officers at one or two counties in Los Angeles that admitted they were for awhile recording deaths as COVID related without ever verifying the virus was involved. Making an assumption that other counties country wide had done similar things which I have no doubt is likely the case, again...you got a further lowering mortality rate. |
Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy25
(Post 3080937)
Agree with the above posts. The actual death rate from COVID is absolutely dramatically lower than anything currently being reported. As said, getting a test in some states up til even June was near impossible unless you were extremely sick.
Not that we will likely ever know, but assuming the virus was already state side in say late December/early Jan purely for arguments sake...the actual number of people who have already had it, never known, and fully recovered would be staggering and further dropping the mortality rate. I recall a month or two ago they interviewed some state medical officers at one or two counties in Los Angeles that admitted they were for awhile recording deaths as COVID related without ever verifying the virus was involved. Making an assumption that other counties country wide had done similar things which I have no doubt is likely the case, again...you got a further lowering mortality rate. A 0.5% case fatality rate is STILL DEVASTATING. When you infect 100 million, that's 500,000 dead. 200 milion? 1,000,000. You're celebrating this revelation as some sort of vindication for the deniers, but you're wrong. It was always predicted to be 0.5% CFR averaged over all age groups. That's more than 5 times more fatal than the flu. Save the high fives for later. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3080948)
You are misunderstanding me.
A 0.5% case fatality rate is STILL DEVASTATING. When you infect 100 million, that's 500,000 dead. 200 milion? 1,000,000. You're celebrating this revelation as some sort of vindication for the deniers, but you're wrong. It was always predicted to be 0.5% CFR averaged over all age groups. That's more than 5 times more fatal than the flu. Save the high fives for later. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3080881)
You refuse to answer the question. Got it.
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Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3080948)
You are misunderstanding me.
A 0.5% case fatality rate is STILL DEVASTATING. When you infect 100 million, that's 500,000 dead. 200 milion? 1,000,000. You're celebrating this revelation as some sort of vindication for the deniers, but you're wrong. It was always predicted to be 0.5% CFR averaged over all age groups. That's more than 5 times more fatal than the flu. Save the high fives for later. Additionally, you're either being intentionally obtuse or worse - just here to troll. Based on current rates, how many of those 500,000 and 1,000,000, respectively, will have died of a comorbidity? Subtract that from your numbers and then go hide under your bed and wait for the boogeyman. |
Folks the cat is out of the bag. Restricting travel will not slow the spread appreciably.
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Originally Posted by Black Warrior
(Post 3080978)
You are literally begging for this ordeal to be worse than it is. I don't understand the mindset.
Additionally, you're either being intentionally obtuse or worse - just here to troll. Based on current rates, how many of those 500,000 and 1,000,000, respectively, will have died of a comorbidity? Subtract that from your numbers and then go hide under your bed and wait for the boogeyman. Your comorbidity argument absolute nonsense that you're parroting from right-wing media. Here's a newsflash: If you have cancer and you're involved in a car accident and died, the car accident still killed you. So you can try change the debate, move goalposts, declare up is down.. it's doesn't matter. COVID is real and it's coming to your town, princess. Wear a mask. |
Originally Posted by contrails12
(Post 3080608)
The CDC is not starting out a relationship with the American public. They have been with us for decades now doing an overwhelming great job saving countless lives. That should be enough to earn your trust. And you would trust them if you weren't being asked to defy logic in an attempt to scape goat responsibility. Its like a toddler telling their parents that they don't love the child because they are enforcing some rule that is viewed as burdensome in the moment yet is being done with the best interest of the kid in mind.
By the way, is this the same CDC that was involved with the Tuskegee experiment? Or was it the CDC that claimed high lead levels in the DC drinking water were not a health concern, in 2001? |
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