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copy 05-01-2020 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 3046310)
Way to make it political. And I guess you honestly think FOX is “fair and balanced” eh? If you do you need your head examined.

CNN is the same trash as FOX, but for the other side.

It’s comical to me the people that don’t understand this and honestly think FOX is some legitimate and honest newsworthy outlet.

Fox has several dems/liberals as commentators or even hosts on their network. So yeah, they do offer both sides on their, with a conservative slant. But back to TSA numbers...I’ll take this bump!

Air Stang 7 05-01-2020 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by aeroengineer (Post 3046321)
I recommend an ignition interlock be required on all keyboards on APC. Blow above .08 BAC and you get logged out for 8 hours. Or whatever your carrier deems appropriate.

If we can't drunk post here, what's the point of living?

DarkSideMoon 05-01-2020 12:28 PM

What percentage increase was there from the first week of April 2019 to the last week of April 2019? That percentage compared to this percentage is what really matters.

bradthepilot 05-01-2020 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3046418)
What percentage increase was there from the first week of April 2019 to the last week of April 2019? That percentage compared to this percentage is what really matters.

Average daily growth for the month of April 2019, comparing each day to same day week prior, was -0.1%. First week of April was -2.3%, second week was 3.3%, third week was 0.3%, last full week was -1.4%. Overall, it was essentially flat. 2020 has a distinctly different curve, with a very definite downward trend at the beginning of the month and a very definite upward trend starting about mid month. Plotting them as a graph visually presents them as distinctly different, as well.

Gonna have to try harder than that to put a negative spin on this.

DarkSideMoon 05-01-2020 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by bradthepilot (Post 3046430)
Average daily growth for the month of April 2019, comparing each day to same day week prior, was -0.1%. First week of April was -2.3%, second week was 3.3%, third week was 0.3%, last full week was -1.4%. Overall, it was essentially flat. 2020 has a distinctly different curve, with a very definite downward trend at the beginning of the month and a very definite upward trend starting about mid month. Plotting them as a graph visually presents them as distinctly different, as well.

Gonna have to try harder than that to put a negative spin on this.

Never said I wanted to, just wanted the data that actually matters.

bradthepilot 05-01-2020 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3046598)
Never said I wanted to, just wanted the data that actually matters.

I'd submit that 2019 is, at this point, pretty much irrelevant. The most important thing was to identify the "bottom", or least least a bottom, so as to identify the upward trend. We've seen that, so now the next thing is to see if this rate of growth continues or if it flattens out.

The data is publicly available on the TSA's web site if you wish to download and do your own analysis.

AirBear 05-01-2020 06:51 PM

It's progress but still around a 93.8% reduction year over year. Have to see what it does over the next few months as states ease restrictions.

DarkSideMoon 05-01-2020 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by bradthepilot (Post 3046633)
I'd submit that 2019 is, at this point, pretty much irrelevant. The most important thing was to identify the "bottom", or least least a bottom, so as to identify the upward trend. We've seen that, so now the next thing is to see if this rate of growth continues or if it flattens out.

The data is publicly available on the TSA's web site if you wish to download and do your own analysis.

Travel demand isn't static, you can't find the bottom if you don't know what the historical numbers are. If, for example, 1 million people traveled on average per day last April, but 1.5 did in May, you can't point to a April to May rise this year and think that things are getting better... If we're talking "recovery", the raw numbers don't matter, the percentage of travelers this year compared to last year does.

That being said, it looks like the numbers bottomed out at around 3.9% of last years totals and is now up to roughly 6% of last years totals. That is a good trend!

https://i.imgur.com/T4LodAq.png

That being said, we don't know that this is the bottom. Just because it's trending up doesn't mean it will continue to do so. Cautious optimism. Don't expect anything remotely normal until late summer until tourism destinations start reopening. There will be some bounce back from pent-up essential business travel (and this could very well be what we're seeing) but that isn't going to carry us over the goal line.

C17B74 05-01-2020 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3046635)
It's progress but still around a 93.8% reduction year over year. Have to see what it does over the next few months as states ease restrictions.

Just like you said. Won’t know anything concrete for the next few months. Most immediate travel being business, relatives, etc followed by leisure perhaps no one knows. Will it plateau, will it spike initially then fall and rise or just slowly gain momentum? We have quite a bit of time to verify the effects on the wallets of millions out of work and businesses gone forever or not.

senecacaptain 05-01-2020 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3046668)
Don't expect anything remotely normal until late summer until tourism destinations start reopening. There will be some bounce back from pent-up essential business travel (and this could very well be what we're seeing) but that isn't going to carry us over the goal line.

I hope it is sooner than late summer. School resumes then. Not much tourism from at least the school kid/family category in late summer.


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