Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3042412)

I can totally understand and empathize with your desire to get to work. It's been a month and it's killing me to not have an airplane to fly right now.

But your willingness to accept personal risk is not a decision you get to make for others. Your desire to disregard the professionals we have that spend a lifetime in public health and our practitioners, virologists, researchers and epidemiologists isn't wise. It's an emotional reaction to a perceived threat to your livelihood.

Rushing back to work now will result in much more damage to our economy and our infrastructure. We have to come through the other side of this with our healthcare system, pathetic as it is compared to the rest of the world, intact. Able to treat sick people. We cannot afford to needlessly kill much larger portions of the population than a return to normal ops would result in.

The experts are as close to correct as we're going to get. Just because they don't always get it perfect means we should abandon their counsel and start listening to politicians who can barely form a coherent sentence.

And what sucks the most? Is that we don't have the leadership in place to handle this. There's no coordinated response. No political detente as both sides set aside their concerns and act together for the good of country.

Just small groups of governors from both parties doing the best that they can. And many of them aren't up to the task.

It will be safe to go back to work when you see the White House open for daily tours again. It will be OK to drag your family to Hawaii and spend money when you see state houses open, with elected officials doing your work.

It will be safe to go back to work when agencies like the CDC says it is, and their scientists' conditions are all met.

Until then, it isn't safe for any of us to be out and about.

Originally Posted by massgflight (Post 3042461)

I agree. This is a respectable reply. Freedom is choice. I have a choice, you have a choice, we all have a choice. Thank God for America.

No, I’m in command of nothing. Never implied otherwise. Free to choose, for everyone. Thats what I believe in. Best to all.

Originally Posted by Barley (Post 3042428)

When safety is assured the flying public will regain confidence and bookings will return. Scream out the hick rally cries all you want. Reality can’t be changed.

Originally Posted by NeverHome (Post 3042470)

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm

Ill make it easy for you. From the CDC:
however, disease characteristics among pediatric patients in the United States have not been described.

Yes it’s great that New York may not have children who died from covid with no underlying conditions, however as a nation, this hasn’t been fully vetted yet. So again, no it is unwise to assume children are just ok with this virus.

and again in your own links, they explicitly state that these are “preliminary and subject to change”. I’m not willing to bet children or others lives or even our own economy on “preliminary”.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3042481)

Since when has safety ever been assured for the public? Newsflash, you get in a car you can die. You get on a plane, you can die. You can be in your own home and fall down the stairs and die. Life is full of things that can kill you. We accept that because inside we realize the chances of that happening to us are fairly low. Same with coronovairus. The vast overwhelming majority of us will get sick and recover. The old and compromised lungs are the vast majority of fatalities. Protect them, and let the rest out.

Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3042412)

Until then, it isn't safe for any of us to be out and about.

Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3042412)

I can totally understand and empathize with your desire to get to work. It's been a month and it's killing me to not have an airplane to fly right now.

But your willingness to accept personal risk is not a decision you get to make for others. Your desire to disregard the professionals we have that spend a lifetime in public health and our practitioners, virologists, researchers and epidemiologists isn't wise. It's an emotional reaction to a perceived threat to your livelihood.

Rushing back to work now will result in much more damage to our economy and our infrastructure. We have to come through the other side of this with our healthcare system, pathetic as it is compared to the rest of the world, intact. Able to treat sick people. We cannot afford to needlessly kill much larger portions of the population than a return to normal ops would result in.

The experts are as close to correct as we're going to get. Just because they don't always get it perfect means we should abandon their counsel and start listening to politicians who can barely form a coherent sentence.

And what sucks the most? Is that we don't have the leadership in place to handle this. There's no coordinated response. No political detente as both sides set aside their concerns and act together for the good of country.

Just small groups of governors from both parties doing the best that they can. And many of them aren't up to the task.

It will be safe to go back to work when you see the White House open for daily tours again. It will be OK to drag your family to Hawaii and spend money when you see state houses open, with elected officials doing your work.

It will be safe to go back to work when agencies like the CDC says it is, and their scientists' conditions are all met.

Until then, it isn't safe for any of us to be out and about.

Originally Posted by NeverHome (Post 3042477)

I also agree that freedom is a choice, and having freedom allows for choice. However we protect our freedom if we are willing to sacrifice a small (very small) amount for the collective good. That is the essence of many laws we have today. We’re free but not absolutely free. There are restrictions in our lives but we accept these knowing that it benefits the greater good, and therefore benefits us.

Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3042485)

Ya I think he means when perception that safety is assured.

Spare us the "life is dangerous" life lesson please. Some risks are bigger than others.

If you want to get back to business, what you need to be is comforting to people, make them feel safer going out. Don't be surprised though if you need to compete with evidence that doesn't support you in totality. The perception is what it's all about.

Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3042485)

Ya I think he means when perception that safety is assured.

Spare us the "life is dangerous" life lesson please. Some risks are bigger than others.

If you want to get back to business, what you need to be is comforting to people, make them feel safer going out. Don't be surprised though if you need to compete with evidence that doesn't support you in totality. The perception is what it's all about.