Vaccine Results Looking Good!
 

I just read that they are reporting this morning that the phase 1 vaccine trails are looking better than expected. EVERY single person given the vaccine is producing anti-bodies at levels of someone who was actually infected with Covid-19. They are starting phase 2 now, and hope to have FDA approval for emergency use of the vaccine by early Fall. This is good news I think....

An accelerated push of this vaccine is the only thing that will encourage pre-virus travel prior to the estimated 2-3 year recovery window. Good news indeed.

Here's some recent vaccine media coverage, all relevant and positive, none of it from the fake/agenda news outlets....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22R2C0

https://the1a.org/segments/could-we-...-its-possible/

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-limited-trial

So assuming this works, will you need to show proof of vaccination to get past tsa, into a ball game, on a college campus, federal courthouse etc? Maybe get to 60-70% of the population then call it good?


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It really looks like Moderna is onto something with their vaccine ending phase 2 this summer and possibly being approved for the public next winter.

Plus JNJ is already building a facility to mass manufacture vaccines 24/7 by early 2021.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufac...vid-19-vaccine
I'm not sure if they're counting on the mass production of their own vaccine to eclipse other vaccines that may get approved earlier, but won't be as widely available, or if they'd be willing to partner with Moderna or someoone else to bring their vaccine up to speed faster (or if that's even technically possible, I'm not a pharmacist but I'd imagine that could be like converting a Boeing factory to an Airbus factory).

Either way, if a vaccine can be widely disseminated before the economy core locks from defaulted loans, small business failures, and unemployment, then this might be the "V" recovery we're all hoping for.

If a vaccine is freely and readily available then it's like smoking cigs... if an individual chooses to smoke (or chooses not to get vaccinated), the individual is responsible for the consequences.

The trials are expected to be successful, they were in the past for coronavirus. The problems come when they actually try and manufacture the vaccine.

Whatever we do don't let our guard down given a potential second wave this fall.

And hopefully all of us will remember the lessons learned and we do everything we can to mitigate the environment that supports transmission of these pathogens in the future especially with respect to air travel. Even the people who still have jobs have had a lot of family members who have lost their job and one paycheck doesn't cut it. Hammer China to get and keep their house in order with respect to their labs, wet markets etc. so we're less likely to face this again and for heavens sake bring critical manufacturing back to the U.S.

So you’re saying NPR isn’t on the fake news/agenda list?

Have you actually listened to NPR reporting?

Agreed, heavily biased, left wing propaganda.

There are a lot of ongoing and planned vaccine trials. This is a link from the Danish medicine institute, but it is in English, summarizing all the difference global efforts to produce a vaccine. It was updated on May 19, so the Information is very recent. Hopefully there is more continued success.

https://laegemiddelstyrelsen.dk/da/n...E17BFED49.ashx

I don't listen to am radio.

The NPR website has consistently stuck with facts and decent journalism in recent years.

They are obviously a hair left of center, but that seems to manifest as publishing more interest items that appeal to the left. They do not appear to drive an agenda, misrepresent fiction as news, or selectively forget to mention significant news which reflects poorly on a particular agenda. You can be a little left (or right) and still be committed to traditional good journalistic principles.

Trust me, I appreciate NPR for their behavior, not for their politics.

https://i.insider.com/5b7adf3c959f34...jpeg&auto=webp
Looks relatively unbiased (if you believe in facts and stuff of course!)

this is why I watch CNBC, Bloomberg, and BBC

"media sensationalism" = Fox, CNN both are guilty at times. not always tho. they can produce very good stuff if they focused on being journalists first

Edit: "not always" added

USG is investing $1B in a British-developed vaccine, in exchange for 300M doses...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22X0J9

Is it not obvious that most of these putative ’trials’ are fairly obvious pump ‘n’ dump stock schemes? Several off patent protocols have been demonstrated effective but are getting absolutely no attention while insanely profitable ’new’ formulations are hyped daily? The companies involved wouldn’t happen to be big advertising clients of the ‘news’ organizations breathlessly repeating press releases disguised as hot scoops?

Great news, and in a perfect world they will be deploying these vaccines by Sept/Oct. Hoping they are successful!

A hhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiirrrrrrr left of center. Uhh huh.

6 months ago, it took more than a decade to develop a vaccine, now it takes 4 months apparently. I think I'll wait to see what the side effects are.

I mean.....what happened to the Antibody test? I would be nice to know if I already am producing antibodies amiright?

Here you go, click, drop $119.00 and get your test.

https://questdirect.questdiagnostics...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

LabCorp uses Abbott or Roche antibody assays, costs a $10 telehealth referral, and they bill your insurance.

Results in usually two days.

Check your local urgent care/medical providers about antibody testing. Places are starting to gain more widespread ability to perform the antibody testing. My wife and I got our tests done (the Abbott) test two weeks ago at a local urgent care network. Zero cost to us with our insurance. Both of us came back negative.

Mass vaccine production in India...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22Y2BI

Fauci expresses cautious optimism about expedited vaccine prospects...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-quite-promisi

3 out of 15 recipients of the trial vaccine received serious injury or required immediate medical attention.

Which vaccine? Where does it say that?

The tests still aren't that great. The NYT did a piece about a teenager who got the antibody test and it came back negative. He continued to have complications so they gave him another test and it came back positive.

If you are referring to HCQ it has failed every single double blind study that it has been through. It doesn’t work sorry.

Mine came back negative, and honestly, I don't know what I could have done to be more exposed to the virus, short of taking my lunch breaks in an ICU. It makes zero sense that I (allegedly) haven't been exposed, but some 94 year old lady in one of the state's rural counties gets it and dies. Maybe she liked the slots more than me?

Seriously, this is another reason most people need to relax about their risk and accept that the opportunity for containment is long gone. On the other hand, we absolutely need to figure out why vulnerable populations are getting infected during a lockdown and how to actually protect/treat them. Just don't ask Gov. Cuomo for ideas.

Ditto,

I’ve been flying a full schedule, my wife is a DVM and has been working full time dealing with the public as well. Both of us tested negative for antibodies.

My good friend is on the CT reopening task force. He said the problem in the tri state area is that most retirement home workers live in poorer economic areas. Many of them take public transit to get to work. The elderly are not the originators of the virus in these facilities. It keeps being introduced from the outside. And it will keep happening.

My sister is an RN and has been working the C19 ICU for the last two months...in NYC. She is one of only four nurses on her floor to not get it yet, and just tested negative for antibodies. Mind = blown.

It would seem an absolute no-brainer to test long-care home employees every second or third day before they enter a facility. Sure the brain tickle would get old, but being able to capture a potentially virus-shedding employee before they seed an outbreak in the most vulnerable demographic seems a very smartly targeted policy for the expense.

Maybe... still no data on viral shedding and testing below threshold and infecting rate. You may be infected but still test negative for some time till you shed enough virus to be above the individual tests threshold. Also that vulnerable population may need a much lower inoculant as a younger, healthier person. Those studies are forthcoming. This is a problem in creating a public policy.

That does make sense. Except for the possibility of false negatives.

Some people have a natural immunity to certain bugs, just by chance that their system does something that's bad for the bug in question. Might be an immune mechanism that's different from the anti-bodies produced by most people (some few people are even naturally immune to HIV).

Your sis might be one of those. Or she should head over the Atlantic City when it re-opens.

The name of the game is getting numbers down, not absolute prevention which is likely impossible unless someday enough people are vaccinated to actually make the thing extinct.

Every little bit helps, and the obviously vulnerable people should be protected to the extent practicable.

Risk v. Reward, Cost v. Benefit...

And the latest holdup in getting a vaccine...
 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rking-11993739

Not enough cases occurring currently for a clinical trial.