China is responsible, now what ?
07-07-2020, 12:08 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Of course it has been going on for a long time, but recent pushes deeper into the jungles & forests are accelerating it. An article from 2017...
"The world is now in uncharted territorywhen it comes to infectious diseases. We're facing a whole new era. Over the past century, the number of new infectious diseases cropping up each year has nearly quadrupled. The number of outbreaks per year has more than tripled."
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...re-on-the-rise
I love me some bacon, among many other tasty meats but recognize the impact it has. Point is, our lifestyles the world over are creating issues we either didn't foresee or frankly just don't care enough to do anything about. One day that could all very seriously bite us much harder than previous outbreaks combined.
"The world is now in uncharted territorywhen it comes to infectious diseases. We're facing a whole new era. Over the past century, the number of new infectious diseases cropping up each year has nearly quadrupled. The number of outbreaks per year has more than tripled."
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...re-on-the-rise
I love me some bacon, among many other tasty meats but recognize the impact it has. Point is, our lifestyles the world over are creating issues we either didn't foresee or frankly just don't care enough to do anything about. One day that could all very seriously bite us much harder than previous outbreaks combined.
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In the U.S., we have seen more than a dozen new human diseases appear over the past 25 years. For instance, a killer tick-borne virus showed up in Kansas in 2014. A new type of leprosy dismembered a man in Arizona in 2002. And a new hemorrhagic fever jumped from rodents into people, killing three women in California in 1999 — to name just a few
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The world is now in uncharted territorywhen it comes to infectious diseases. We're facing a whole new era. Over the past century, the number of new infectious diseases cropping up each year has nearly quadrupled. The number of outbreaks per year has more than tripled.In the U.S., we have seen more than a dozen new human diseases appear over the past 25 years. For instance, a killer tick-borne virus showed up in Kansas in 2014. A new type of leprosy dismembered a man in Arizona in 2002. And a new hemorrhagic fever jumped from rodents into people, killing three women in California in 1999 — to name just a few
This has ALWAYS been happening and most of those are self limiting. We just have a whole lot more Microbiology grad students out there looking. Most of these aren’t knew, and they are generally self-limiting from a epidemic standpoint. Camp Bullis near San Antonio Tx had a rickettsial infection back in WWII, with several hundred young healthy recruits seriously sickened and a handful killed. The etiology agent was identified and named, R. Bullisiae..it has never been seen since.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15605930/
Then there’s Legionairres Disease, and Hantavirus, and many others. For that matter, Yosemite Park will occasionally get human cases of plague from the Golden Mantled Ground Squirrels (the State rodent, basically a rat in a fur coat) that inhabits the place.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/plague.htm
But much of the Southwest has had enzootic plague for a couple hundred years now. These diseases have always been there and there have been frequent non-sustained crossover infections, although humans are generally a dead end host for all of these. (Think swimmer’s itch, which is actually an avian version of schizosomiasis). We just haven’t had this many microbiology grad students before.
That’s why some quit to become pilots...
07-07-2020, 12:25 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Studies continue to point to a natural jump, exactly how & when may never be known sadly. There is little, if any evidence to support other claims. Otherwise mere speculation.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature
To your last point, studying pathogens has always been a dangerous task. There are many examples of things going wrong around the world and even here in the States. What we need are treaties to cover proper handling, classification, what should be studied and better sharing of data. Thankfully science does a decent job of not being beholden to politics, but we need to let our politics assist science instead of fighting against it.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature
To your last point, studying pathogens has always been a dangerous task. There are many examples of things going wrong around the world and even here in the States. What we need are treaties to cover proper handling, classification, what should be studied and better sharing of data. Thankfully science does a decent job of not being beholden to politics, but we need to let our politics assist science instead of fighting against it.
07-07-2020, 01:59 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
With all due deference to goats and soda- nonsense.
This has ALWAYS been happening and most of those are self limiting. We just have a whole lot more Microbiology grad students out there looking. Most of these aren’t knew, and they are generally self-limiting from a epidemic standpoint. Camp Bullis near San Antonio Tx had a rickettsial infection back in WWII, with several hundred young healthy recruits seriously sickened and a handful killed. The etiology agent was identified and named, R. Bullisiae..it has never been seen since.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15605930/
Then there’s Legionairres Disease, and Hantavirus, and many others. For that matter, Yosemite Park will occasionally get human cases of plague from the Golden Mantled Ground Squirrels (the State rodent, basically a rat in a fur coat) that inhabits the place.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/plague.htm
But much of the Southwest has had enzootic plague for a couple hundred years now. These diseases have always been there and there have been frequent non-sustained crossover infections, although humans are generally a dead end host for all of these. (Think swimmer’s itch, which is actually an avian version of schizosomiasis). We just haven’t had this many microbiology grad students before.
That’s why some quit to become pilots...
This has ALWAYS been happening and most of those are self limiting. We just have a whole lot more Microbiology grad students out there looking. Most of these aren’t knew, and they are generally self-limiting from a epidemic standpoint. Camp Bullis near San Antonio Tx had a rickettsial infection back in WWII, with several hundred young healthy recruits seriously sickened and a handful killed. The etiology agent was identified and named, R. Bullisiae..it has never been seen since.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15605930/
Then there’s Legionairres Disease, and Hantavirus, and many others. For that matter, Yosemite Park will occasionally get human cases of plague from the Golden Mantled Ground Squirrels (the State rodent, basically a rat in a fur coat) that inhabits the place.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/plague.htm
But much of the Southwest has had enzootic plague for a couple hundred years now. These diseases have always been there and there have been frequent non-sustained crossover infections, although humans are generally a dead end host for all of these. (Think swimmer’s itch, which is actually an avian version of schizosomiasis). We just haven’t had this many microbiology grad students before.
That’s why some quit to become pilots...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14727-9
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/22/87596...on-and-disease
07-07-2020, 07:09 PM
#14
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China Investigation
China coverup, incompetence, and corruption has caused 130,000 American deaths. Why are we not over there conducting a review? Is it because they own us. So we can’t do anything but keep mute and take it. Sad nothing is being done at the source. Just sad. Money is truly everything.
07-08-2020, 09:45 AM
#15
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How do we just show up in china and start an investigation?
We don't have jurisdiction any more than they have jurisdiction to conduct investigations here.
It's a diplomatic and political problem.
We don't have jurisdiction any more than they have jurisdiction to conduct investigations here.
It's a diplomatic and political problem.
07-08-2020, 09:53 AM
#16
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There’s no investigation needed. All the viruses seem to come out of there. They have more people as well as animals on top of each other. I think only thing you can do is to stop buying Chinese. Although that’s very hard to do now, considering like all the products at Walmart and target are made in China.
07-08-2020, 10:14 AM
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The best thing we can do is form some multilateral neutral health organization that looks out for these viruses. Like a UN for public health. We could have some sway by allying with other nations that have mutual interests and also be the largest funder therefore giving the U.S. outsized influence. Maybe that organization could set up a lab in parts of China where these zoological viruses pop up to study these things.
we could call it the world health organization or WHO
we could call it the world health organization or WHO
07-08-2020, 10:16 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
if you are serious, nuke them until they glow. It’s the only way to be sure. If you are rational, learn from your mistakes and keep essential supply lines domestic even if foreign is cheaper.
07-08-2020, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by contrails12
The best thing we can do is form some multilateral neutral health organization that looks out for these viruses. Like a UN for public health. We could have some sway by allying with other nations that have mutual interests and also be the largest funder therefore giving the U.S. outsized influence. Maybe that organization could set up a lab in parts of China where these zoological viruses pop up to study these things.
we could call it the world health organization or WHO
we could call it the world health organization or WHO
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