"masks are the solution!"
07-19-2020, 03:38 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Nacho Libre
That’s great news, maybe people are getting the point. In the Midwest where I live only approximately 20% are wearing masks as an observation, however more businesses are getting on the bandwagon and hopefully next week those numbers increase. Many local stores and businesses in the area are advising of mandatory mask usage, customers not in compliance will be asked to leave.
07-19-2020, 06:05 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Nacho Libre
IMO staying to not wear a mask because they wanted the good masks for healthcare workers was very inappropriate. I understand the reason, but they should have just told the truth. It’s always better to keep the masses informed, they will respect and trust important information the next time rather than blow off the information as coming from a liar.
07-19-2020, 06:08 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yup, lost a lot of credibility by doing a 180. That combined with honest confusion over mask benefits due to the flip-flop set mask compliance back a long ways.
07-20-2020, 06:48 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by WutFace
Ya'll sound like a bunch of spurned lovers. You should get over yourselves.
What a bunch of naifs...
07-20-2020, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by WutFace
Ya'll sound like a bunch of spurned lovers. You should get over yourselves.
In a previous post I had put up an article albeit a CNN piece about mask usage and how the narrative has changed. It was BS how it played out, and there is no defense or excuse for the communication period... It is these types of actions and communication failures that have us divided, although there is plenty politically dividing the country as well... this was a failure. I would rather have someone admit fault, make changes when warranted, and keep focus on winning the fight with the virus right now.
WutFace.. in a previous post I was making the case for my acceptance of “masks are the solution” but when Rickair777 commented on part of my post you took it wrongly IMO. It was a reasonable response. His comment did acknowledge the damage done by the changing narrative, he didn’t comment on the article, but that’s ok. He doesn’t have to. When you make posts like the above you lose credibility. I actually agree with some of what you say, some of what many of us here have to say, but when you bicker like this it’s kinda *****y. Sorry for being an ass to you. Your posts do spurn thought, and a back and forth discussion and that’s a good thing.
07-20-2020, 11:28 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by Nacho Libre
In a previous post I had put up an article albeit a CNN piece about mask usage and how the narrative has changed. It was BS how it played out, and there is no defense or excuse for the communication period... It is these types of actions and communication failures that have us divided, although there is plenty politically dividing the country as well... this was a failure. I would rather have someone admit fault, make changes when warranted, and keep focus on winning the fight with the virus right now.
WutFace.. in a previous post I was making the case for my acceptance of “masks are the solution” but when Rickair777 commented on part of my post you took it wrongly IMO. It was a reasonable response. His comment did acknowledge the damage done by the changing narrative, he didn’t comment on the article, but that’s ok. He doesn’t have to. When you make posts like the above you lose credibility. I actually agree with some of what you say, some of what many of us here have to say, but when you bicker like this it’s kinda *****y. Sorry for being an ass to you. Your posts do spurn thought, and a back and forth discussion and that’s a good thing.
WutFace.. in a previous post I was making the case for my acceptance of “masks are the solution” but when Rickair777 commented on part of my post you took it wrongly IMO. It was a reasonable response. His comment did acknowledge the damage done by the changing narrative, he didn’t comment on the article, but that’s ok. He doesn’t have to. When you make posts like the above you lose credibility. I actually agree with some of what you say, some of what many of us here have to say, but when you bicker like this it’s kinda *****y. Sorry for being an ass to you. Your posts do spurn thought, and a back and forth discussion and that’s a good thing.
Everyone who claims to be outraged by the mixed messaging regarding masks by the White House and CDC is using it as a reason to discount CDC guidelines that they personally do not agree with. It's purely political posturing. I've seen better actors at a community theater.
Anyone with an IQ greater than 80 could have seen what was happening in March. The messaging was clear. Don't use masks. Donate your masks to medical personnel. Remember that? They wanted you to donate any N95 masks in your possession to help the shortage. If masks were worthless, then why did they want you to donate them?
Only now do these jokers come back with their faux outrage. "I can't believe that they lied to me!" with his wrist to his forehead. Like a southern debutante who's been spurned by her beau.
It's all theater to back up their position that they do not agree with CDC guidelines. And it's worthy of mockery.
07-20-2020, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
There was no shortage of cloth and bandanas in March. Yet here we are, spreading the good word that cloth masks and bandanas are going to end the pandemic.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
07-20-2020, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WutFace
I appreciate your candor. And I admit my response is a little snarky. I'll explain why.
Everyone who claims to be outraged by the mixed messaging regarding masks by the White House and CDC is using it as a reason to discount CDC guidelines that they personally do not agree with. It's purely political posturing. I've seen better actors at a community theater.
Anyone with an IQ greater than 80 could have seen what was happening in March. The messaging was clear. Don't use masks. Donate your masks to medical personnel. Remember that? They wanted you to donate any N95 masks in your possession to help the shortage. If masks were worthless, then why did they want you to donate them?
Only now do these jokers come back with their faux outrage. "I can't believe that they lied to me!" with his wrist to his forehead. Like a southern debutante who's been spurned by her beau.
It's all theater to back up their position that they do not agree with CDC guidelines. And it's worthy of mockery.
Everyone who claims to be outraged by the mixed messaging regarding masks by the White House and CDC is using it as a reason to discount CDC guidelines that they personally do not agree with. It's purely political posturing. I've seen better actors at a community theater.
Anyone with an IQ greater than 80 could have seen what was happening in March. The messaging was clear. Don't use masks. Donate your masks to medical personnel. Remember that? They wanted you to donate any N95 masks in your possession to help the shortage. If masks were worthless, then why did they want you to donate them?
Only now do these jokers come back with their faux outrage. "I can't believe that they lied to me!" with his wrist to his forehead. Like a southern debutante who's been spurned by her beau.
It's all theater to back up their position that they do not agree with CDC guidelines. And it's worthy of mockery.
It is entirely possible to support mask use as an intervention strategy (even while accepting it is not going to be 100% effective) while castigating whatever idiot compromised the credibility of the CDC by lying initially. Those are not mutually exclusive opinions to hold.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression and no field in medicine requires credibility with the public to do their job more than the field of public health. Whoever made the decision to lie shot themselves (and public health in general) in the foot. It was a STUPID thing to do.
07-20-2020, 06:47 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Horse$hit! I ABSOLUTELY believed they lied to me and knew it at the time. What I have been saying is that it was a dumb$hit move on their part and BAD POLICY. You, on the other hand, tried to justify it to me because idiots were buying out Costco and hoarding mountains of toilet paper.
It is entirely possible to support mask use as an intervention strategy (even while accepting it is not going to be 100% effective) while castigating whatever idiot compromised the credibility of the CDC by lying initially. Those are not mutually exclusive opinions to hold.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression and no field in medicine requires credibility with the public to do their job more than the field of public health. Whoever made the decision to lie shot themselves (and public health in general) in the foot. It was a STUPID thing to do.
It is entirely possible to support mask use as an intervention strategy (even while accepting it is not going to be 100% effective) while castigating whatever idiot compromised the credibility of the CDC by lying initially. Those are not mutually exclusive opinions to hold.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression and no field in medicine requires credibility with the public to do their job more than the field of public health. Whoever made the decision to lie shot themselves (and public health in general) in the foot. It was a STUPID thing to do.
