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firefighterplt 10-16-2020 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3144817)
Because otherwise if you have died other people can vote in your absence.

Or if you move.

The states don’t coordinate. One of the downsides to organizing presidential elections at the state level. When I was in the military, I registered to
vote in one of the states I was stationed in, as I planned to live there upon discharge. I registered, voted.

To this day, my parents continue to get my old voter mailings at their home. It never stopped. The new state doesn’t notify the old state. Fortunately, the old state doesn’t mass mail ballots.

So with mass ballot mailing, you can move, vote in your new state, and the new occupants of your previous residence will get an extra blank ballot that they can fill out and submit, should they be so inclined...

Solicited or nothing. Mass mailings are BS.

Additionally, I think we need some form of national database for voters. If you register in a new state, it should take you off the rolls at your old state.

Seneca Pilot 10-16-2020 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by firefighterplt (Post 3146071)
Or if you move.

The states don’t coordinate. One of the downsides to organizing presidential elections at the state level. When I was in the military, I registered to
vote in one of the states I was stationed in, as I planned to live there upon discharge. I registered, voted.

To this day, my parents continue to get my old voter mailings at their home. It never stopped. The new state doesn’t notify the old state. Fortunately, the old state doesn’t mass mail ballots.

So with mass ballot mailing, you can move, vote in your new state, and the new occupants of your previous residence will get an extra blank ballot that they can fill out and submit, should they be so inclined...

Solicited or nothing. Mass mailings are BS.

Additionally, I think we need some form of national database for voters. If you register in a new state, it should take you off the rolls at your old state.


States have the responsibility to verify and purge their voter rolls regularly. They have largely ignored that responsibility so private groups do the work and sue to have the roles purged. Not a good system.

ny797 10-16-2020 03:25 PM

I'd like to post a hypothetical....McConnel recently changed his stance to not backing just any deal the White House comes up with. I feel like he is slowly trying to distance himself from Trump and his poor polling numbers. It's clear Trump wants a deal to make himself look good for re-election....could he hold the final appointment of Amy Coen as hostage unless the Senate Republicans go along with a White House approved deal? I'm completely posing a hypothetical and don't even know if this is possible so am all ears for any insight into the process.

Excargodog 10-16-2020 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3146194)
I'd like to post a hypothetical....McConnel recently changed his stance to not backing just any deal the White House comes up with. I feel like he is slowly trying to distance himself from Trump and his poor polling numbers. It's clear Trump wants a deal to make himself look good for re-election....could he hold the final appointment of Amy Coen as hostage unless the Senate Republicans go along with a White House approved deal? I'm completely posing a hypothetical and don't even know if this is possible so am all ears for any insight into the process.

I think that since 1 October when furloughs started it has become increasingly unlikely that a second CARES would happen. Trump is NOT going to hold a SCOTUS appointment hostage to this, he’d lose far more votes than it would possibly gain him. I think that the angst over the confirmation of the nominee is going to suck all the political oxygen out of DC until after the election and - after the election - no politician of any stripe is going to worry about this, since they will have another 2, 4, or 6 year lease on life, and in 24 months some other cause celebre will have long since pushed airlines to the back burner, assuming they are even still on the stove at all...

KSUto64 10-16-2020 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3146196)
I think that since 1 October when furloughs started it has become increasingly unlikely that a second CARES would happen. Trump is NOT going to hold a SCOTUS appointment hostage to this, he’d lose far more votes than it would possibly gain him. I think that the angst over the confirmation of the nominee is going to suck all the political oxygen out of DC until after the election and - after the election - no politician of any stripe is going to worry about this, since they will have another 2, 4, or 6 year lease on life, and in 24 months some other cause celebre will have long since pushed airlines to the back burner, assuming they are even still on the stove at all...

Its also possible that after the election is the most likely chance that they do it. Then it doesn’t matter if it helps Trump win or lose. At that point it would be even more obvious it’s being held up for political reasons.

Excargodog 10-16-2020 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by KSUto64 (Post 3146197)
Its also possible that after the election is the most likely chance that they do it. Then it doesn’t matter if it helps Trump win or lose. At that point it would be even more obvious it’s being held up for political reasons.

All things are possible. I think implementing the “green revolution” and outlawing aircraft in favor of solar powered skateboards is more likely though. No, if it doesn’t happen before the election I don’t think it will happen.

I hope you are right though. I really do.

Seneca Pilot 10-16-2020 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3146198)
All things are possible. I think implementing the “green revolution” and outlawing aircraft in favor of solar powered skateboards is more likely though. No, if it doesn’t happen before the election I don’t think it will happen.

I hope you are right though. I really do.


It has been pointed out that the polls are being "slanted" to make it appear that Trump is behind. The same thing was done in 2016. They way this is done is to build into the poll the assumption that only about 75% of Republicans will vote for Trump. This is a ridiculous assumption as in the primaries he received 91%. In addition Biden can't draw 25 people to his campaign appearances and Trump draws 25,000. As I have posted all over this board I am for Jo Jorgensen the Libertarian candidate. I wish everyone would vote for her and any libertarian on the ballot for any office. We need to send a message to the entire political apparatus that we are tired of our freedoms being taken and our priorities being ignored. Sadly I feel that the status quo will continue and Mr. Orange will be back in. To me that is a lesser evil than Biden (Harris since he will be ruled incompetent within months of the election if he wins). I still remember the absolute hatchet job Perot pulled to help the Clinton machine into office so I am aware that my vote may work against me but I still vote my conscience.

ny797 10-16-2020 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3146233)
It has been pointed out that the polls are being "slanted" to make it appear that Trump is behind. The same thing was done in 2016. They way this is done is to build into the poll the assumption that only about 75% of Republicans will vote for Trump. This is a ridiculous assumption as in the primaries he received 91%. In addition Biden can't draw 25 people to his campaign appearances and Trump draws 25,000. As I have posted all over this board I am for Jo Jorgensen the Libertarian candidate. I wish everyone would vote for her and any libertarian on the ballot for any office. We need to send a message to the entire political apparatus that we are tired of our freedoms being taken and our priorities being ignored. Sadly I feel that the status quo will continue and Mr. Orange will be back in. To me that is a lesser evil than Biden (Harris since he will be ruled incompetent within months of the election if he wins). I still remember the absolute hatchet job Perot pulled to help the Clinton machine into office so I am aware that my vote may work against me but I still vote my conscience.

I've actually always wondered this...does voting for a "third party candidate" help future elections in terms of funding? I personally think the two party system is F'd, so any way to get a 3rd party some more exposure, without voting for one of the two sh!tbags on the ballot, I'm all ears!

Seneca Pilot 10-16-2020 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3146278)
I've actually always wondered this...does voting for a "third party candidate" help future elections in terms of funding? I personally think the two party system is F'd, so any way to get a 3rd party some more exposure, without voting for one of the two sh!tbags on the ballot, I'm all ears!


Incumbents get all the money from lobbyists and donors. The two main parties usually are successful in keeping the other parties out of debates. It is an uphill battle but those types of battles are what brought us independence, freedom for slaves, votes for women, and civil rights for minorities.

Libertarians are classic liberals. They want the constitution followed, the Federal government out of our lives, and the people free. The constitution does not support or allow a huge part of the massive bureaucracy that our government has become. Our Federal government spends about 21% of our national GDP currently. Until 1950ish that percentage was consistently about 3%. I'll argue that things are worse for it.

Unfortunately history tells us that governments always slowly and surely take the freedoms of their citizens. It is a grinding creep toward totalitarianism so few people catch it. The founders knew this and the second amendment was their poison pill. Once it is gone our time is up because we will no longer have a means to hold the government at bay.

The government bureaucracy is only concerned with its own survival and power and will seek to enact programs and rules to strengthen its grip on the people. Much of that massive rise in spending as a portion of GDP is a means to that end. I hope people will wake up and see what is happening but I am not particularly optimistic.

Escargot 10-17-2020 02:49 AM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3146278)
I've actually always wondered this...does voting for a "third party candidate" help future elections in terms of funding? I personally think the two party system is F'd, so any way to get a 3rd party some more exposure, without voting for one of the two sh!tbags on the ballot, I'm all ears!

Yes, in fact this is the only time the popular vote counts with regard to the presidential election. If a candidate receives 5% of the popular vote, their party will get millions in public funds and a spot on the podium during debates on the next go around. The 5% mark means a lot. So don't vote for Mickey Mouse, check the libertarian box since Jorgensen is the most likely third party candidate to reach the 5% threshold. Having different ideas is critical because then instead of ad hominem attacks (he wears a toupee, is orange, has Alzheimer's, etc) we can introduce ideas into the platform. Look at the shift that Bernie introduced into the dems, even though he never stood a chance in the primary.


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