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atooraya 10-08-2020 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 3142494)
They’re not. In fact it was Pelosi that’s been trying to get the deal done. Probably for ulterior motives, but still, when Trump got sick they tried to get something done quickly while the meds were still kicking in. If they don’t come up with something next few days there probably won’t be one till after the new year.

Pelosi has been pretty clear. The airline bailout is in the bill that the house passed and she’s not going to do standalone bills. Imagine if your union came out and said they company won’t agree to a contract because of an impasse, and the company is willing to enact one section of the CBA for now, but can’t be used later for negotiations...

KSUto64 10-08-2020 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 3142501)
Pelosi has been pretty clear. The airline bailout is in the bill that the house passed and she’s not going to do standalone bills. Imagine if your union came out and said they company won’t agree to a contract because of an impasse, and the company is willing to enact one section of the CBA for now, but can’t be used later for negotiations...


You do realize that the bill pelosi passed is full of ******* that has nothing to do with providing relief to a country that could use it. Items such as:
  • Barring voter ID requirements,
  • Forcing states to count absentee ballots that arrive as late as 10 days after Election Day, and
  • Imposing same-day voter registration everywhere (only 21 states currently allow it
And:
  • Only $5 billion (2%) of $225 billion earmarked for school districts would go to making health safety improvements. “The rest is a teachers union protection plan.”
  • $417 billion to state and local governments, with no strings.
  • $600 billion-plus allocated to cities, states and school districts would be consumed plugging budget holes.
  • $5 billion for community development block grants is labeled by the bill as “flexible resources.”
Its infuriating to see either party putting party line crap in a stimulus bill that’s going out to help people that encompass both sides of the aisle. I just want to see targeted spending and none of the political crap added in.

block30 10-09-2020 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by KSUto64 (Post 3142502)
You do realize that the bill pelosi passed is full of ******* that has nothing to do with providing relief to a country that could use it. Items such as:
  • Barring voter ID requirements,
  • Forcing states to count absentee ballots that arrive as late as 10 days after Election Day, and
  • Imposing same-day voter registration everywhere (only 21 states currently allow it
And:
  • Only $5 billion (2%) of $225 billion earmarked for school districts would go to making health safety improvements. “The rest is a teachers union protection plan.”
  • $417 billion to state and local governments, with no strings.
  • $600 billion-plus allocated to cities, states and school districts would be consumed plugging budget holes.
  • $5 billion for community development block grants is labeled by the bill as “flexible resources.”
Its infuriating to see either party putting party line crap in a stimulus bill that’s going out to help people that encompass both sides of the aisle. I just want to see targeted spending and none of the political crap added in.

Such a good point! What is really in a bill/each side's bill proposal?

Excargodog 10-09-2020 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 3142501)
Pelosi has been pretty clear. The airline bailout is in the bill that the house passed and she’s not going to do standalone bills. Imagine if your union came out and said they company won’t agree to a contract because of an impasse, and the company is willing to enact one section of the CBA for now, but can’t be used later for negotiations...

Sure. Let’s not pass things that everyone agrees about so we can hold that thing hostage to something that only one side agrees with.

Do it MY way, or I’m going to shoot this puppy....


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terks43 10-09-2020 06:50 AM

Welcome to the world of being a political football. But keep telling yourself that there isn’t something deeply broken in how this country operates. You can acknowledge that something is broken and still be patriotic. In fact being honest about a country’s shortcomings is more patriotic then denying they exist. The Marxist thing to do would be to deny the existence of a problem in the first place, just let that sink in.

pipewrench 10-09-2020 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 3142572)
Such a good point! What is really in a bill/each side's bill proposal?

Careful stating facts, their heads might explode. You are a (fill in the blank) response.
I am having a difficult time understanding how people in this industry can champion its demise.

atooraya 10-09-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 3142572)
Such a good point! What is really in a bill/each side's bill proposal?

Facts on each proposal:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...%5D%7D&s=5&r=1

Just like the previous bill that was passed in March, there are earmarks. Just like the same earmarks that Republicans are trying to pass with their provision that prevents employers from being held accountable for unsafe COVID conditions.



Originally Posted by pipewrench (Post 3142665)
Careful stating facts, their heads might explode. You are a (fill in the blank) response.
I am having a difficult time understanding how people in this industry can champion its demise.

Which facts? Alternative facts or real facts? Aren't we all entitled to our own fact opinions?



Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 3142609)
Welcome to the world of being a political football. But keep telling yourself that there isn’t something deeply broken in how this country operates. You can acknowledge that something is broken and still be patriotic. In fact being honest about a country’s shortcomings is more patriotic then denying they exist. The Marxist thing to do would be to deny the existence of a problem in the first place, just let that sink in.


Ummm, the current message from one side that we're getting is, "The best is yet to come!" That this country has never been as great as it is now, and nobody can make it any better than the current administration.

I'm trying to find where Karl Marx wrote that denying existences of problems in his manifesto. Can you point me to that? Alternative facts are fine as well.

pipewrench 10-09-2020 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 3142681)
Facts on each proposal:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...%5D%7D&s=5&r=1

Just like the previous bill that was passed in March, there are earmarks. Just like the same earmarks that Republicans are trying to pass with their provision that prevents employers from being held accountable for unsafe COVID conditions.



Which facts? Alternative facts or real facts? Aren't we all entitled to our own fact opinions?



Ummm, the current message from one side that we're getting is, "The best is yet to come!" That this country has never been as great as it is now, and nobody can make it any better than the current administration.

I'm trying to find where Karl Marx wrote that denying existences of problems in his manifesto. Can you point me to that? Alternative facts are fine as well.

Yeh because changing voting laws a month before an election is worth holding people hostage, Okay!

atooraya 10-09-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by pipewrench (Post 3142691)
Yeh because changing voting laws a month before an election is worth holding people hostage, Okay!

Maybe because states are demanding ID while offices are closed...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ter-id-measure

Also, the word "hostage" is pretty dramatic. You're all free to leave, and the airlines are free to find money elsewhere.

Seneca Pilot 10-09-2020 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 3142722)
Maybe because states are demanding ID while offices are closed...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ter-id-measure

Also, the word "hostage" is pretty dramatic. You're all free to leave, and the airlines are free to find money elsewhere.

How many citizens of this country over the age of eighteen do you assert are out there working, going to college/school, and driving around without a valid ID already in their possession?


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