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Duffman 10-14-2020 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by RedWhiteAndBlue (Post 3145382)
Masks were designed to protect a hospital worker-be it doctors, nurses or anyone else-from a tuberculosis bacteria infection brought in by tuberculosis patients. Masks actually work for this application. Why? Because the TB bacteria is sized at .5 microns and masks are constructed to filter down to .3 microns thereby providing .2 microns of conservatism. Investigate valved masks. When the wearer exhales the valve opens directly to the outside. Why? Because the doctor doesn’t have TB and can exhale directly to the outside without concern for others. When the doctor inhales the valve closes. Why? So the TB particles don’t inflow into the mask and infect the doctor.

Masks are designed for BACTERIA not VIRUS. A virus is sized at .06 microns to .12 microns. A viral particle sized at .06 microns is 55 times smaller than the .3 micron filter of the vast overwhelming majority of medical grade masks. Cloth masks have filters sized at 7000 microns x 7000 microns. Tens of millions of .06 micron viral particles fit inside one single filter hole in a cloth mask. Viral particles attached to any water particle/etc smaller than .3 or 7000 microns respectively is sailing directly through these masks. And this doesn’t even consider that absolutely zero filtration occurs around the outside of these masks and through the totally open valve.

You know where else you can get infected? Through the eyes. I don’t even think this warrants an obvious mask comment.

In my studied opinion masks are totally useless. In fact, they are depriving you of the oxygen you need (measurably so), poisoning you with CO2, and exponentially increasing your risk of staph infection. Ask the flight attendant I was sitting next to on a deadhead flight 5 months ago who fell asleep head down slightly in a mask. Promptly seized and went unconscious after 20 minutes. The individual was incoherent as the EMT’s carried them off after the divert. I hope they survived. By the way, call any mask manufacturer like I have and ask them how they protect against viruses. Well you know what the answer will be...

Oh yea, I engaged in this study because I had this minor flu early on. Do you all know how many people had the swine flu 10 years ago? I have yet to find a SINGLE person that can answer. Nor can I find a SINGLE person who can answer how many have had this Corona virus. Sad. Very sad. 1.4 Billion with a B got swine flu a decade ago. 38 million with an M have gotten Corona virus including me. That makes swine flu 36 times worse than corona. Remember when we destroyed everything ten years ago like now? ....I didn’t think so. And just in case there are those out there that say “but but but corona is far more deadly!” Well lets apply some basic math. The US represents 5% of the world’s population. Since we are in a “pandemic” that means we should expect 5% of deaths to be American. But they aren’t. They are 20%. 200,000 US deaths out of the 1,000,000 worldwide. I call total statistical BS on that unless you somehow think the virus hates americans. The numbers here are garbage.

By the way, we have studied about 50 types of corona viruses over the decades. 20% of colds are caused by corona viruses. And the all generally act the same way.

I sincerely hope that behind the scenes there are armies of lawyers gearing up and studying the reality of what has happened here. In my opinion there is only one possibility: organized malicious intent on a global scale. It disgusts me to see all of the lives and careers ruined as a result.....

Wow.

A) Everyone knows the virus can go through a mask. Masks reduce the distance an infected person can spread the virus from about 6', from just breathing, down to about 1'. If you're in an airport with 10k other people, how certain are you that none of them woke up with a sore throat and flu-like symptoms? Masks identify you as not being much of a threat to everyone else, which is why more masks mean more people feel safe flying, less furloughs. Most people don't want to be the 'mask police' and if they see people not wearing masks, they just won't fly.

B) The mask CO2 garbage needs to stop. In all the years before COVID I never heard a doctor, nurse, tradesman, manufacturer, etc whine about CO2 poisoning from their mask, but now, it just sounds like someone making up an allergy for a food they don't like. If you're not physically able to handle breathing through a mask at 6k' cabin altitude, you probably shouldn't be in public during a pandemic from a respiratory virus.

C) The US has more deaths because we've handled the virus poorly compared to the other wealthy nations. Europe's 'spike' in cases isn't even as bad as our day-to-day for the last 4 months. I can't believe masks have become politicized during a pandemic from a respiratory virus. Why don't we politicize seat belts, or smoking, or asbestos abatement, or DUI laws?

wrxpilot 10-14-2020 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 3145206)
It's amazing that you have bought an agenda-driven narrative hook, line and sinker.

The virus is carried in the aerosol. Masks don't stop the aerosol in OR out. Virus is gonna virus. If you are likely to get it, you are gonna get it. Sooner or later.

We were asked to distance, mask up, and shut down to slow the spread to prevent overwhelming the medical infrastructure, NOT to eradicate the virus. The medical infrastructure is nowhere near capacity. As recent revelations from the WHO have shown, lockdowns are ultimately counterproductive, especially now that the initial wave has passed.

But, by all means, keep on driving that narrative and living in fear.

What narrative? I’m just going off what the CDC and every major medical institution recommends:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

https://news.delta.com/harvard-study...ction-covid-19

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-upd...oth-masks-work

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...u-need-to-know

The fact that some of you completely disregard MIT, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and so on over some crazy right wing blog posts is really weird. It’s a great example of how anti-science American society has become.

I mean really, there’s even a guy in this thread stating “CO2 poisoning” as a reason not to wear a mask, lol. Unbelievable. I’m glad I got an engineering degree and believe in science.

RedWhiteAndBlue 10-14-2020 06:19 PM

Keep dreaming. Ignore the science. Ignore reality. Wear your useless mask. Make yourself feel all secure with your “adult millennial teddy bear.” Hope you are wearing a PBE everywhere you go as well so you don’t get it in your eyes.

Oh and go tell all your garbage to that flight attendant I mentioned.

senecacaptain 10-14-2020 06:27 PM

OAN News reports a surge in Europe cases: https://www.oann.com/who-fears-spike...ovid-19-surge/

Britain, Russia, Italy, Switzerland reporting an uptick in cases. Consistent with dropping temps and people moving off outdoor patios and back inside.

wrxpilot 10-14-2020 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by RedWhiteAndBlue (Post 3145466)
Keep dreaming. Ignore the science. Ignore reality. Wear your useless mask. Make yourself feel all secure with your “adult millennial teddy bear.” Hope you are wearing a PBE everywhere you go as well so you don’t get it in your eyes.

Oh and go tell all your garbage to that flight attendant I mentioned.

You are literally doing all of those things, and then acting like an upset child with his fingers in his ears.

Post your “science” supporting your anti-mask and CO2 poisoning claims. No blogs or crazy Alex Jones stuff either. That’s not science, it’s rubbish.

BlueMoon 10-14-2020 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by RedWhiteAndBlue (Post 3145466)
Oh and go tell all your garbage to that flight attendant I mentioned.

Is it possible that their seizure was completely unrelated to the wearing a mask?

Excargodog 10-14-2020 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 3144903)
Watch this space in two weeks...


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Daily cases have been going up since Sept 12 and it’s now Oct 14. So when are we going too start seeing the increase in deaths?

kingairfun 10-14-2020 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3145508)
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Daily cases have been going up since Sept 12 and it’s now Oct 14. So when are we going too start seeing the increase in deaths?


Shhhh...every life matters..

Shhh..... long term effects blah blah blah


All I see is 30,000 cases 2300 deaths... 50-70k cases, <= 1000 deaths and decreasing. Maybe I'm just really bad at reading a graph with big numbers...

Amazing what happens when you keep the infected elderly out of nursing homes.
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I feel lucky my kid hasn't dropped dead from in-school contracted Covid.. I was really concerned this whole time. I don't have cable TV, are there other kids dropping dead form Covid? I may have missed it.

Instead my kid got a half year of in person schooling, a somewhat normal existence and luckily didn't have a parent who was afraid of their own shadow.

Watching the "science" and the Lefts rhetoric slowly fall apart is gonna be great...

Someone wake me when we hit those 4-5000 daily deaths...

emersonbiguns 10-15-2020 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by kingairfun (Post 3145526)
I feel lucky my kid hasn't dropped dead from in-school contracted Covid.. I was really concerned this whole time. I don't have cable TV, are there other kids dropping dead form Covid? I may have missed it.

Your little snowflake crotch fruit isn't what's at issue here. Maybe if you spent a bit more time trying to understand the facts and not continuously trying to reinforce your ignorant world view you'd know it's the adult staff and families of the in-person students that are put at risk.

Moron.

BoilerUP 10-15-2020 04:30 AM

The Atlantic: Schools Aren't Super Spreaders

NYT: Europe's COVID cases/1M residents exceeds USA for first time since late March

Peer-reviewed paper by Dr. John Ioannidis of Stanford University: "Across 51 locations, the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%)..."


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