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Excargodog 02-11-2021 07:13 AM

Numbers dropping
 
Might be the seasonal nature of the virus, might be the 47 million who have had at least one shot, might be the almost 30 million who had COVID and are now - for awhile at least) relatively immune. Might be the restrictions, but truthfully states without restrictions don’t appear to be doing a helluva lot better than those with them. Might be just dumb luck. Whatever the case, the numbers are dropping.

https://i.ibb.co/tPcGBqH/93391-FDD-4...3-B47-BC46.jpg

kaputt 02-11-2021 07:58 AM

This is why the fear campaign is being ramped up now about the “new variants” and potential domestic travel restrictions. Gotta keep the fear machine chugging at full blast so they can avoid people questioning why we’re still doing this BS.

BoilerUP 02-11-2021 08:37 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...es/burden.html

Only 1 of every estimated 4.6 infections has been reported...with 27.03M cases as of yesterday that’s 124M or 37%-ish of population previously infected.

Some of the vaccinated are previously COVID infected, so the figures have overlap.

Bottom line is infection-conferred immunity as a means of helping suppress infection numbers alongside an burgeoning vaccination campaign has gotten VERY little attention from the media or Fauci.

Let’s hope the trend vector continues as more needles go in arms and Janssen’s (and perhaps Novavax & A-Z) vaccine is approved and force multiplies vaccine supply.

skywatch 02-11-2021 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 3193751)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...es/burden.html

Only 1 of every estimated 4.6 infections has been reported...with 27.03M cases as of yesterday that’s 124M or 37%-ish of population previously infected.

Some of the vaccinated are previously COVID infected, so the figures have overlap.

Bottom line is infection-conferred immunity as a means of helping suppress infection numbers alongside an burgeoning vaccination campaign has gotten VERY little attention from the media or Fauci.

Let’s hope the trend vector continues as more needles go in arms and Janssen’s (and perhaps Novavax & A-Z) vaccine is approved and force multiplies vaccine supply.

I don't think you will see much attention to the fact that we are likely already pretty close to getting herd immunity.. We already sold everybody that the vaccine is the savior, and spent tons and tons of money on it. Why change our tune now and admit anything we have been doing up until now was wrong? Nobody questions it anyway.

John Carr 02-11-2021 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 3193751)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...es/burden.html

Only 1 of every estimated 4.6 infections has been reported...with 27.03M cases as of yesterday that’s 124M or 37%-ish of population previously infected.

Some of the vaccinated are previously COVID infected, so the figures have overlap.

Bottom line is infection-conferred immunity as a means of helping suppress infection numbers alongside an burgeoning vaccination campaign has gotten VERY little attention from the media or Fauci.

Let’s hope the trend vector continues as more needles go in arms and Janssen’s (and perhaps Novavax & A-Z) vaccine is approved and force multiplies vaccine supply.

Not sure/haven’t researched.

But maybe the change to tests that reduce the amount of false positives as well?

Excargodog 02-11-2021 07:31 PM

Still dropping....

https://i.ibb.co/XLS31JR/F7-CC8-B2-F...0578-F52-C.jpg

GeeWizDriver 02-11-2021 08:57 PM

And yet, POTUS says today we have to wear masks. Through NEXT YEAR.

Sigh....

ZapBrannigan 02-11-2021 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 3194066)
And yet, POTUS says today we have to wear masks. Through NEXT YEAR.

Sigh....

To be fair, cases are still nearly twice as high as they were after the first November surge, and 10 times higher than the Memorial Day surge that prompted a lot of closings of indoor dining and such. A downward trajectory is great, especially if the variants don’t reverse it, but we have a way to go to drive those numbers down to Australia type numbers.

FlyPurdue 02-12-2021 03:09 AM

There is also still a large percentage of the population who completely avoid any indoor (and even many outdoor) activities. They probably will not get exposed. All the sudden, the percentage of people who have natural or vaccinated immunity and are out in society is much higher then even the 40% referenced above (I too am starting to see that repotted in media outlets). Plus, it seems that the vast majority of ultra high risk population has fortunately gotten vaccinated so they will probably not show up in hospitalization / death statistics.

I agree that the insistent fear mongering over the variants is frustrating, but at the same time - I don’t want to see all this progress for naught if there is another spike in hospitalizations like we saw the past few months. The good news seems that serious infection with even the ‘aggressive’ variants can be minimized with nearly all the approved vaccinations (maybe not Oxford).

In all cases, I’m optimistic that come late spring we will see daily deaths / hospitalizations more similar to a flu season, and then we can stop talking about it.

mysealium 02-12-2021 07:03 PM

Test 123340

Excargodog 02-12-2021 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3194080)
To be fair, cases are still nearly twice as high as they were after the first November surge, and 10 times higher than the Memorial Day surge that prompted a lot of closings of indoor dining and such. A downward trajectory is great, especially if the variants don’t reverse it, but we have a way to go to drive those numbers down to Australia type numbers.

BAD EXAMPLE^^^

Australia and New Zealand are ‘down under.’ It is summer there. This graph shows their normal flu season which is very different than ours:
https://i.ibb.co/SxxRgBw/CA2-B7874-0...-AC74-BE37.jpg

COVID is a NOVEL Coronavirus and we have no good idea what it’s seasonal variability might be, but most respiratory viruses have one. Comparing our midwinter numbers to their midsummer numbers might very well be just as inappropriate as comparing our flu season to their flu season. They peak at very different times.

Excargodog 02-13-2021 08:21 AM

https://i.ibb.co/HqzLrG4/A36051-B0-7...E92-E6-A87.jpg

opt0712 02-14-2021 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3193699)
Might be the seasonal nature of the virus, might be the 47 million who have had at least one shot, might be the almost 30 million who had COVID and are now - for awhile at least) relatively immune. Might be the restrictions, but truthfully states without restrictions don’t appear to be doing a helluva lot better than those with them. Might be just dumb luck. Whatever the case, the numbers are dropping.

https://i.ibb.co/tPcGBqH/93391-FDD-4...3-B47-BC46.jpg

Is this what they meant when they said "It wILL gO aWAY oN NoVEmBEr 4Th"?

galaxy flyer 02-14-2021 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195178)
Is this what they meant when they said "It wILL gO aWAY oN NoVEmBEr 4Th"?

Is there a reason for capital letters all willy-nilly or are you just bad at English?

Seneca Pilot 02-14-2021 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195178)
Is this what they meant when they said "It wILL gO aWAY oN NoVEmBEr 4Th"?


Anyone who said November 4th was mistaken. The election cycle ended on Jan 20th. Miraculously just after this date the cycle rates on tests were determined to be too high, a case ceased to be just a test but also had to be combined with symptoms, and max lock down governors across the fruited plain suddenly pivoted to saying that we must open up to save the economy. So yea it was political.

opt0712 02-14-2021 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3195186)
Anyone who said November 4th was mistaken. The election cycle ended on Jan 20th. Miraculously just after this date the cycle rates on tests were determined to be too high, a case ceased to be just a test but also had to be combined with symptoms, and max lock down governors across the fruited plain suddenly pivoted to saying that we must open up to save the economy. So yea it was political.

Source?

Filler

opt0712 02-14-2021 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3195185)
Is there a reason for capital letters all willy-nilly or are you just bad at English?

Learn how to internet before casting stones.

Seneca Pilot 02-14-2021 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195188)
Source?

Filler


New testing to confirm a case:
WHO Releases New Tightened Guidelines Regarding The Diagnostic Criteria For COVID-19. PCR Positive No Longer Means You Have COVID-19. You Need A Second Test To Confirm You Have The Virus | Tech News | Startups News - WorldNewsEra

Restrictions easing:

Governors Cuomo & Newsom Decide To Ease COVID Restrictions Following Biden Inauguration - News Punch

Lowering of cycle rate guidance from WHO:

WHO lowers PCR cycle count, causing less positives on the day Biden becomes President — The Colorado Herald

highfarfast 02-14-2021 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195191)
Learn how to internet before casting stones.

I'm with galaxy on this one. It's overdone and not particularly clever.

highfarfast 02-14-2021 05:34 PM

And that is how you "internet".


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And that is how you don't "internet", APC.

opt0712 02-14-2021 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3195198)
And that is how you "internet".



And that is how you don't "internet", APC.

Come off it, mate. I was literally asking for sources, since I was curious. So thanks for posting my history when I'm trying to seek information.

fifidriver 02-14-2021 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195188)
Source?

Filler

You don't need sources. Just common sense, open your eyes and look at the numbers. They have started to drop significantly after Jan 20th. Coincidence? Doubtful!

opt0712 02-14-2021 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by fifidriver (Post 3195211)
You don't need sources. Just common sense, open your eyes and look at the numbers. They have started to drop significantly after Jan 20th. Coincidence? Doubtful!

I've had my eyes open whilst working all over the world through this. Relax, your boy lost. We'll get through this.

123494 02-14-2021 06:49 PM

I think people will be wearing masks for a long time. The restrictions will probably still be in place and people are used to wearing them all the time. I hope I’m wrong.

galaxy flyer 02-14-2021 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195191)
Learn how to internet before casting stones.

I’d rather not look, or write, like an idiot, thank you.

Red Forman 02-14-2021 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195191)
Learn how to internet before casting stones.

Learn how to not be a retard.

opt0712 02-14-2021 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3195225)
Learn how to not be a retard.

You the man, Red.

Flyfalcons 02-14-2021 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195207)
Come off it, mate. I was literally asking for sources, since I was curious. So thanks for posting my history when I'm trying to seek information.

You weren't curious. You already knew these exact things have happened since inauguration day. As does the rest of this country. Only a fool at this point believes there aren't serious political motivations behind what is going on.

opt0712 02-14-2021 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Flyfalcons (Post 3195236)
You weren't curious. You already knew these exact things have happened since inauguration day. As does the rest of this country. Only a fool at this point believes there aren't serious political motivations behind what is going on.

You're right. The virus only cares about the political agenda of the United States.

Flyfalcons 02-14-2021 07:45 PM

Virus gonna virus. And politicians gonna politicize. Nothing new under the sun.

LAXtoDEN 02-14-2021 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195213)
I've had my eyes open whilst working all over the world through this. Relax, your boy lost. We'll get through this.

Sounds good, MATE.

highfarfast 02-14-2021 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195207)
Come off it, mate. I was literally asking for sources, since I was curious. So thanks for posting my history when I'm trying to seek information.

Literally, I was referencing a train of text with you and galaxy that had nothing to do with you asking for sources.

opt0712 02-14-2021 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Flyfalcons (Post 3195244)
Virus gonna virus. And politicians gonna politicize. Nothing new under the sun.

Touché.

Filler

fifidriver 02-15-2021 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3195213)
I've had my eyes open whilst working all over the world through this. Relax, your boy lost. We'll get through this.

Again, you are making wrong assumptions BOY!

sailingfun 02-15-2021 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by fifidriver (Post 3195211)
You don't need sources. Just common sense, open your eyes and look at the numbers. They have started to drop significantly after Jan 20th. Coincidence? Doubtful!

The numbers are dropping worldwide at about the rate in the US. We had the big spike expected for the holidays. The rate started dropping throughout the world exactly when you would expect it to happen. Let’s just hope in the US we can vaccinate enough to keep the trend going down before spring break.

Excargodog 02-15-2021 04:18 AM

https://i.ibb.co/DYC9g2M/30-AF9-CC2-...3991-ABCC1.jpg

putzin 02-15-2021 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 3195221)
I think people will be wearing masks for a long time. The restrictions will probably still be in place and people are used to wearing them all the time. I hope I’m wrong.

Meh, it's not that big of a deal. If people would wear them when they feel sick, wether it be from covid, a cold or flu, we'd have a lot less of it. I loved when our Japanese foreign exchange student would get a cold and not spread it through the house. We've adopted that policy now as well and it's more of a courtesy to others and not hard. Wearing a mask is certainly not an infringement upon our freedoms, it's just common sense and helpful.

wrxpilot 02-15-2021 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3195300)
Meh, it's not that big of a deal. If people would wear them when they feel sick, wether it be from covid, a cold or flu, we'd have a lot less of it. I loved when our Japanese foreign exchange student would get a cold and not spread it through the house. We've adopted that policy now as well and it's more of a courtesy to others and not hard. Wearing a mask is certainly not an infringement upon our freedoms, it's just common sense and helpful.

That’s exactly what THEY would say! You must be part of the NWO illuminati!

123494 02-15-2021 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 3195302)
That’s exactly what THEY would say! You must be part of the NWO illuminati!

Well, he did prove my point.

opt0712 02-15-2021 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3195300)
Meh, it's not that big of a deal. If people would wear them when they feel sick, wether it be from covid, a cold or flu, we'd have a lot less of it. I loved when our Japanese foreign exchange student would get a cold and not spread it through the house. We've adopted that policy now as well and it's more of a courtesy to others and not hard. Wearing a mask is certainly not an infringement upon our freedoms, it's just common sense and helpful.

Hear, hear!


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